Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Athenai

[Molinaargh]

271 BC

Athenian orders:
-Improve trading ports in Athens.
-Try to stop the Spartans from marching through Athenian land.
-Try to convince the Spartans to lend some men to the Athenian army.
-Besiege Mytilene.

Spartan orders:
-Separate the Spartan forces from the Alliance Army.
-Recruit Archers and Horsemen in Sparta to reinforce the Spartan army.

After the Koinon Hellenon meeting in Korinthos in the winter of 272 BC, the men returned to their own cities.


Akrotatos Agiados got married in Sparta, but then moved back to Korinthos to perform his duties as Hegemon of the Alliance. Chremonides joined the Eleusian Mysteries, gaining political allies in Athens and throughout the Hellenic cities.


In Sparte, as per council order, Archers were recruited. These archers would not reinforce the Alliance army, though, but the Spartan army...


...which was formed by detaching many Spartan men from the Alliance army. Eudamidas, the lesser Spartan King, was to lead the Spartans while Areus led the Allies. But the Spartan Army was still weak and required new recruits, particularly archers and horsemen. The Spartans found there were no good horsemen to be trained in their own city, and that hiring mercenaries of these sort would be far too expensive.



In order to acquire the mounted troops, the Spartans came to the Athenians. The Athenians, in their place, wanted to strengthen their army, and suggested that they'd train a number of horsemen for the Spartans in exchange of the Athenian troops that were in the Alliance Army. Remembering the orders of his council of the necessity of the mounted forces, Areus accepted the deal and sent some of the Alliance's men to the Athenians.


Chremonides was glad the Spartans would not only refrain from marching through Attike, but they would also lend some men from the Alliance Army to the Athenian forces.



Some Athenian hoplites and skirmishers went back to their city, where they joined Chremonides for the siege of Chalkis (there was no fleet to take the men all the way to Mytilene).





The Athenians kept their promise during the siege and sent the Spartans a small band of horsemen.


In Sparta, archers were trained.


The Spartan Army grew strong, even stronger than the Alliance Army.


Meanwhile, the Koinon Hellenon recieved news of distant Hellenes allies who had been attacked by Pontos.





Immediatly war was declared on the aggressors.


By the end of the year, Chalkis was under siege. The Macedonians desperately tried to send men to support the city, but did so in a disorganized way. These macedonians were now in the coast of Chalkis and near Athens. The Spartan Army and the Alliance Army stood ground by Korinthos.

It is time for the councils of Sparta and Athens to reunite again to decide the next moves of each city.


The Athenian Council session is now open to decide what must be done in the next year, 270BC.

[jirisys]

I PROPOSE we must levy some more hoplites, from Athens, so that it may defend her and/or help the besiegers.
I PROPOSE we must make the Makedonian army to attack us, so whe have the upper hand in defense, and destroy their army and make their city capitulate.
I PROPOSE we must hire some pirates (Lemboi) either in Rhodos or Athenai, so we can, first, capture Mytilene and also make a hybrid assault on Sinope when it is captured since we wouldn't be able to arrive in time.
I PROPOSE, since the spartans have been so understanding, we must allow them to traverse to Attike, but only the Ally army and only to defend Athenai (as an excuse so we have more men for the siege and consequent invasions).
I PROPOSE we must acquire trade rights with the Epeirotai, and propose a ceasefire with Basileion ton Pontos, so that they do not imagine our intentions.
I PROPOSE we must ask Moolinaargh not to reveal our secret objectives in the Spartan assembly and vice-versa .

~Jirisys (I should be Hegemon )

[Drag0nUL]

I AGREE with Jirisys's motion.

[The_Blacksmith]

and propose a ceasefire with Basileion ton Pontos, so that they do not imagine our intentions.

I DISAGREE with this half of jirisys' motion, Sinope is our allied! we cant turn our backs on them in public!

[Molinaargh]

I DISAGREE with this half of jirisys' motion, Sinope is our allied! we cant turn our backs on them in public!

Do you propose anything instead?

[jirisys]

I DISAGREE with this half of jirisys' motion, Sinope is our allied! we cant turn our backs on them in public!

I meant that we should liberate it from the pontic people, since we wouldn't be able to arrive in time before it fell to pontic hands.

~Jirisys ()

[Populus Romanus]

We should let the Army of Sparta and the Army of the Alliance to march through our lands in order to engage the spread out Makedonians and capture the vulnerable Demetrias. And how exactly will we be able to take Mytilene if we disbanded our navy? We must levy a new one.

[jirisys]

I PROPOSE we must hire some pirates (Lemboi) either in Rhodos or Athenai, so we can, first, capture Mytilene and also make a hybrid assault on Sinope when it is captured since we wouldn't be able to arrive in time.

We should let the Army of Sparta and the Army of the Alliance to march through our lands in order to engage the spread out Makedonians and capture the vulnerable Demetrias. And how exactly will we be able to take Mytilene if we disbanded our navy? We must levy a new one.

I have everything covered

Edit:

I PROPOSE the author should not allow any member of sparta to propose in OUR assembly and vice-versa, by putting their names on the first post.

~Jirisys ()

[diomede]

I have everything covered

Edit:

I PROPOSE the author should not allow any member of sparta to propose in OUR assembly and vice-versa, by putting their names on the first post.

~Jirisys ()

Probably a good idea. I'll just spy, er, I mean browse this forum, like you are over there. :P
(I do hang out here a bit though, mainly post there though to be fair)

[jirisys]

We should let the Army of Sparta and the Army of the Alliance to march through our lands in order to engage the spread out Makedonians and capture the vulnerable Demetrias. And how exactly will we be able to take Mytilene if we disbanded our navy? We must levy a new one.

Get out of here you spartan spy! Kill him, KILL HIM!!!!!!!

*stabs Demos romaios*

~Jirisys (lawl)

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

I meant that we should liberate it from the pontic people, since we wouldn't be able to arrive in time before it fell to pontic hands.

~Jirisys ()

Not necessarily. Pontus has more men and superb cavalry, but Sinope has infantry of higher quality. Also Pontic phalangites are not very good at assaults. Sinope may manage to drive off the Pontic army without help.

[Vaginacles]

I PROPOSE that Athen's army assault Chalkis immediately. Euboea is a wealthy province that would provide us with the money and manpower we desperately need for the defense of Sinopes and the conquest of Myiles. We do not need the allied Army marching through Attika to assault such a weak city, Let them deal with the Macedonian threat in Boetia and Thessaly.

Thus I PROPOSE that we allow them to cross the Isthmus of Cornith ONLY if to invade Thessaly.

I DISAGREE with Jirisy's strategy of passivity, we ought not to allow the macedonians to regain the initiative and bring superior forces upon us, an aggressive assault on macedonia will catch them unaware, especially since the Macedonian King's eye is not on Thessaly or Euboea, but on Pella against the mighty Pyrrhus. He would not expect an incursion by greek troops into his homeland, and if he did what could he do to stop both Greece and Eprius?

Therefore, i also PROPOSE we seek an alliance with Eprius so that the Macedonian king's fall will be inevitable.

[Walle]

I AGREE with Vaginacles. We can't afford to be too passive, and Epeiros would be a valuable ally, both in military terms as help against Makedonia, and economically, if we get trade rights as well.

Also, I PROPOSE that we start trading with the naval powers to the west, Karthadast and Roma.

[jirisys]

I PROPOSE that Athen's army assault Chalkis immediately. Euboea is a wealthy province that would provide us with the money and manpower we desperately need for the defense of Sinopes and the conquest of Myiles. We do not need the allied Army marching through Attika to assault such a weak city, Let them deal with the Macedonian threat in Boetia and Thessaly.

Thus I PROPOSE that we allow them to cross the Isthmus of Cornith ONLY if to invade Thessaly.

I DISAGREE with Jirisy's strategy of passivity, we ought not to allow the macedonians to regain the initiative and bring superior forces upon us, an aggressive assault on macedonia will catch them unaware, especially since the Macedonian King's eye is not on Thessaly or Euboea, but on Pella against the mighty Pyrrhus. He would not expect an incursion by greek troops into his homeland, and if he did what could he do to stop both Greece and Eprius?

Therefore, i also PROPOSE we seek an alliance with Eprius so that the Macedonian king's fall will be inevitable.

You really don't read, I specifically said that the allied army not to march upon our lands only for defense. We haven't prohibited the spartans to cross Corinth. just Attike. We haven't asked for them to siege chalkis, the can't because of our agreement. What passivity? I ordered an attack on Chalkis, it's besieged, build a fleet, Mytilene (not Myiles), then try to help the Sinopeans, that's passivity for you? I said we should ask for trade rights with the epeirotai, but, point taken, an alliance will be better.

I AGREE with Vaginacles' proposals I, II & IV (because it's the same thing I said).

I AGREE with Walle's proposal.

I DISAGREE with Vaginacles' proposal III because I never stated such things, and it is actually the opposite of what I said.

~Jirisys (please read and say which proposals you disagree or agree with, makes it much clearer)