Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Athenai

[jirisys]

I PROPOSE we build walls as our primary building in Demetrias, so more makedonians die at our gates, and greeks stay safe inside.

Leumenes, busy with the affairs of life, now 26. He was a scholar administrator in the Akademia, a Somatophylakes of Chremonides, and almost a husband and father. He had little time in the Boule, yet, he knew his situation would change quickly. He stood up, with his breard hanging stadia from his chin.

"My men, we have won a very costly victory, the men lost were too numerous, we lost a fleet to pirates. Yet our trade increases. I am glad to see the koinon working together. I would like to PROPOSE we build a regional Tyrannos in Kretai, as their governor was one, and bringing democracy may cause unrest. Even more because we killed many of their citiziens. Let us leave them to the Tyrannos, as we would not be able to manage it because of it's distance, and a Tyrannos would stop piracy in the area due to it's power to legislate and dictate orders. A democracy on an island far from mainland would be useless, as they would act without support from the other polis. WITHDRAWN I AGREE with Arthouros Second proposal."

He sat down, having to leave the Boule, for a short time.

~Jirisys ()

Leumenes went back to the assembly, and a slave handed him the transcripts.

I AGREE.

If Doros is to go through that Spartan agoge, we'd better recruit ships and get him there ASAP. When i suggested that he'd go to Sparta in the end of his 19th year, I had no idea that he would be sent off to Krete.

And since Mytilene is likely to declare it's independence if Pella falls, I also PROPOSE that the next city we conquer is Pella, and not Mytilene.

I DISAGREE with this proposal, as, it would leave us, not the makedonians, between two fronts, the Epirots and the Getae, which may change their alliegances when they want to ripe our lands, therefore; I PROPOSE we invade Lesbos with the athenian army and release our allied Basileo ton Pergamou from the Makedonian irritation. WITHDRAWN

I also would like to PROPOSE that there be a Boule of the Prytaneis every year, alternating between Sparte and Athenai each year, so that we may both propose measures so we may cooperate (such as, say, asking the spartans to siege Thermon while we buy time and defeat the small armies of Epeiros (this is JUST AN EXAMPLE)).WITHDRAWN

Leumenes was eager to wonder who was going to be the next Ephor.

~Jirisys ()

Leuemenes stood up, reminding the Boule not to forget his proposals. As it seems his are the only ones not being adressed. Which makes him irritated to have wasted his energy and thought for nothing.

Kaleros steps calm into the Council, smelling since he came from the Gymnasia

"My friends! i hear words of the Makedonians marching towards the Byzanz! even though our efford they still have strong men in the field, the Epirotes had taken land from the Barbaroi north of Pella this creates a lock of the Makedonian and Epirote troops where the Makedonians cant be to offensive and at the same time are a buffer to the Epirotes, with the Thessalian hills fortified and under Koinon regin, I PROPOSE that we should let thiese imposer greeks east eachother up (motion: dont TAKE Pella) I AGREE with Arthouros motion of building a strong navy to escort the conquers of Krete home, and of the making of Kretan democratic Kleroucheia...

As for the offices of Koinon, i am not to interfere...

I PROPOSE that Damasos is to be the Govenor of Rhodes, we need to organize all the trade from our most of illustrious habour to profit from them

I AGREE with your first proposal, as it's almost the same with mine, without the Lesbos invasion though. The second one is not up to us.

OOC

As Damasos is under the command of the Sparte/TWC I don't think we can make proposals for what he should do.

For that same reason my dear partisan.

Leumenes sat down, hoping they would not see his proposals for granted.

~Jirisys ()

Arthouros spoke briefly on the matters many councillors had forgotten, those brought forth by one of the most prominent members of the assembly, and urged the councillors to turn their attention to these matters:

"Leumenes, on the matter of building walls as our primary building upon liberating Thermon, I AGREE . Furthermore regarding the Boule of the Prytaneis every year that you proposed, alternating between Sparte and Athenai each year, discussing matters of cooperation, I also AGREE"PROPOSAL WITHDRAWED

Arthouros turned his attention to another proposal by an other councillor he had neglected to address:

"Kaleros, I too hold the view that we should let the Makedones and Epiriotai struggle between each other, therefore I AGREE that we should NOT launch an assault at Pella"

Arthouros then remembered another matter of not quite the same importance.

He pulled out a parchment and read a short passage of it:

"Spartan Orders -Population of Pella to be expelled if conquered."

"Let it be said that when Pella is conquered, I PROPOSE we simply occupy the city. How can we win over the Makedonian people and convince them that we provide a better alternative than Antigonos when we treat them no better then their ruler have treated us? We should welcome them after our troops have been welcomed *cough, conquered them* as brothers, and it is my firm belief that this is not the best way to start off such a political relationship. Of course one could argue that we do not need to "win them over", but surely we honourable Hêllenes should prove our higher moral standards to those we vanquish, if we do not, then what separates us from simple Barbaroi?"

And with that Arthouros left the ekklesia, leaving for his humble house, and went to bed.

I AGREE with this proposal.

Kaleros spoke "Leuemenes, im sorry i havent commented on your wise motions, now let me take a look"

Ohh Leuemenes NOW i AGREE with you, building solid stonewalls in DEMETRIAS!

I DISAGREE on the support of tyranny... PROPOSAL WITHDRAWED

I DISAGREE on your motion of attacking Lesbos, the athenian army is too small[/S]PROPOSAL WITHDRAWED

I AGREE on you motion to have more "updates"[/S]PROPOSAL WITHDRAWED

Im sorry Leuemenes, i just dont see the logic in thiese motions... most of them... BUT, friend... i support your position as Epistates

Arthouros spoke:

"I support Leumenes both as party leader of Hellas and as Epistates, furthermore as his proposal was to build walls in Demetrias and not Thermon I AGREE on that matter."

Arthouros then went back to sleep.

"I will keep this short and to the point. I DISAGREE with the proposal that a democratic Kleroucheia be established in Kretai, for the reasons put forth by Leumenes. It follows, then, that I AGREE with Leumenes' proposal to put in place a Tyrannos there.PROPOSAL WITHDRAWED (Sorry Demosthenes)

I do AGREE with Arthourus that a new fleet, preferably of trireme, be raised.

I vehemently DISAGREE with the proposal that we attack Pella. This war with Macedonia was not sought by us. Are we to transit from one bloody war of attrition to another without pause. Taking Pella will put us, almost inevitably, on a war footing with Epiros, as well as in line of sight of the barbarian Getai tribes. Let the Macedonians at Pella bear the brunt of that aggression, and we can pick up the pieces when we are ready. Our fortifications and garrisons in Thessaly are sufficient to hold the Macedons in check. Let us hold them there, as a sponge, to soak up the urge for war within the barbarian hearts of the Epirotes and the Getai.

I PROPOSE that we be prepared to take Mytilene and then Pergamon from the Macedonians when, and it is a matter of time, they take Pergamon. They will leave a weakened garrison in Mytilene, and their exertions in taking Pergamon will weaken their main force.

We have experience, with Demetrias and in Kretai, of how costly taking a garrisoned town can be. Let others pay that price, let us take the rewards.

Also, we need the income from the trade that Mytilene and Pergamon will bring us. And it will weaken the Macedonian position further. Hold them in Pella.

For the same reasons I believe we should, in whatever way we can, implore the Spartan council to desist from any hostile moves toward Thermon, for now."

I AGREE with your two proposals partly, since I would not like to see Pergamon sacked by Makedonia. However I would surely think that we should be prepared to take both, if we couldn't arrive in time.

I AGREE with Glaucos. Furthermore, I would go so far as to PROPOSE that we don't attack any cities for a few years, and hold a very defensive position, making Demetrias a strong outpost with relatively large garrisons in Demetrias and in both forts. I also AGREE with Glaucos on the offensive matter, the only offensive action we should take should be to reinfore the Alliance army, if necessary.

I AGREE with your proposal.

"I AGREE with any motion of being defensive, since the Allied and Spartan army is likely going to Pella... we need the Athenian army if they are to pull of another incident like in Thessaly..."

"And i regret my outragerous and uncivilized manners in the Council"

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Your outrageous and uncivilized manner paled in comparison to the love Molinaargh gave to me yesterday

Leumenes noticed that his wisdom was declining too much, everybody seemed not to support him.

~Jirisys (not role-playing )