Revolt/Revolution in Egypt

[Fragony]

True, true, however, really hardcore Islamist movements have little support in Egypt. They got immensely impopular after the Luxor massacre.

The inquisition wasn't very popular either

[Hax]

The inquisition wasn't very popular either

Hitler wasn't very popular either. Seriously though, one might argue that the Egyptians are revolting against a sort of inquisition right now. And the (Spanish) inquistion was partially a response to the perceived heretical (and thus, dangerous) behaviour of their subjects.

Still, if there were to be a democratic election, I can't see the Muslim Brotherhood gaining a majority in parliament, let alone one of the more violent parties.

[Fragony]

Hitler wasn't very popular either. Seriously though, one might argue that the Egyptians are revolting against a sort of inquisition right now. And the (Spanish) inquistion was partially a response to the perceived heretical (and thus, dangerous) behaviour of their subjects.

Still, if there were to be a democratic election, I can't see the Muslim Brotherhood gaining a majority in parliament, let alone one of the more violent parties.

Might gain from what it isn't is, kinda surprised of the lack of judgement of many a person here in Dutchieland. This isn't an Islamist coup, but it can become one

[Hax]

Might gain from what it isn't is, kinda surprised of the lack of judgement of many a person here in Dutchieland. This isn't an Islamist coup, but it can become one

And then what? The Islamist movement (of the Muslim Brotherhood) isn't as it used to be, y'know. They don't go around blowing people up anymore. Even if a military-ish coup would be the result of a crisis of power, I don't think that the Egyptian people would stand for it. The whole religion thing has hardly been touched upon during this revolution, and it seems unlikely that it will serve as a major inspiration.

[Fragony]

Too funny to not share it http://opinie.volkskrant.nl/artikel/...on_over_Egypte

[Hax]

Ah, another person that has absolutely no idea about what's going on. Funny, yes.

[Fragony]

Ah, another person that has absolutely no idea about what's going on. Funny, yes.

A good cartoon always bites a bit, don't be so uptight. It's a really clever one.

edit forgot translation, little bit of islam, some freedom, some wealth,a bit shariah, some more islam

Guess the soup speaks for itself

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The longer the situation in Egypt stays like this the more likely Egypt will suffer in the long run. Protesters are attacking reporters and it's just a matter of time when the last tourists become the targets. If that happens then not that many people want to go there. And who will loose? The people of Egypt. Tourism is one of the largest industries in Egypt. All those Egyptians who made money on the markets will loose their jobs/businesses and this will lead to more hate and violence against the government. The damage this revolt/revolution is doing to the image of Egypt will affect the people for a long time.
I know many people who have said they will never go to Egypt. The reason - Egypt is starting to look like Iraq or Afganistan.

[Husar]

Protesters are attacking reporters

I think it's important to note that those are apparently only the pro-Mubarak protesters.
They're obviously trying to sabotage the protests betting on the inability of outsiders/the press to distinguish between "the protesters" and "the protesters".

[Conqueror]

Tourism is one of the largest industries in Egypt. All those Egyptians who made money on the markets will loose their jobs/businesses and this will lead to more hate and violence against the government.

Not that there'd be much attraction for tourists under a truly radical islamist government either, which is another incentive for the Egyptians to avoid going that route.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I think it's important to note that those are apparently only the pro-Mubarak protesters.
They're obviously trying to sabotage the protests betting on the inability of outsiders/the press to distinguish between "the protesters" and "the protesters".

I know that there is a difference between protesters and protesters but in the eyes of Average Joe they all look the same.

Not that there'd be much attraction for tourists under a truly radical islamist government either, which is another incentive for the Egyptians to avoid going that route.

I completely agree. This could be the reason why I don't see Iran as one of the top countries that tourists visits. Though there is a lot to see in Iran.

[Lemur]

I know this is not a big deal, but really, how do newsrooms make this sort of mistake?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well you are talking about the same channel that let Glenn Beck on air. I mean, you would've thought that was a mistake, too.

[Fragony]

The longer the situation in Egypt stays like this the more likely Egypt will suffer in the long run. Protesters are attacking reporters and it's just a matter of time when the last tourists become the targets. If that happens then not that many people want to go there. And who will loose? The people of Egypt. Tourism is one of the largest industries in Egypt. All those Egyptians who made money on the markets will loose their jobs/businesses and this will lead to more hate and violence against the government. The damage this revolt/revolution is doing to the image of Egypt will affect the people for a long time.
I know many people who have said they will never go to Egypt. The reason - Egypt is starting to look like Iraq or Afganistan.

I can't really blame them, how would you look at the tourists if you were a n Egyptian, these holidy resorts aren't for you. Amazingly little has happened so far considering they are with millions. I am completely awed by these protests.

[PanzerJaeger]

I know this is not a big deal, but really, how do newsrooms make this sort of mistake?

You would think that they would have a stock 'Middle East' graphic, but I guess they type in country names each time they make one because I've seen the same type of graphic on Fox with the countries correctly labeled.

[Fragony]

lololol the socialists once again just can't control it http://www.geenstijl.nl:80/mt/archie....html#comments

Hellowwwwwwww it's Egypt. Not Israel

nothing ever really changes

Where did we see him again http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven...staakt_di.html

The one on the right is kinda family, her dad married my grandma and she was my mom's nanny. All Dutchies know her. We don't really get along

[Fragony]

The brotherhood is in, excellent eyes Hax. Amazing.

[Hax]

The brotherhood is in, excellent eyes Hax. Amazing.

What's your problem with the Muslim Brotherhood anyway? They probably won't get a majority in a parliament, nor are they of the violent Islamist type.

[Furunculus]

What's your problem with the Muslim Brotherhood anyway? They probably won't get a majority in a parliament, nor are they of the violent Islamist type.

while the MB have said some 'pleasingly' moderate things it has also been utterly cretinous by blaming the church bombing on israel; "because only the zionists have an interest in a divided egypt"!

if a british politician said something that idiotic he would be reviled, and i would expect everyone else in the country to hold the same opinion, so his chances of office would be zero.

question - do i hold a double standard and expect better from british politicians than i do from other politicians?

if yes - is that racist or realist?
if no - do i condemn them utterly even tho there might be no better alternative?

[Hax]

Tell me, would you rather establish dialogue between the Muslim Brotherhood or al-Qaeda? I think we have to accept the fact that

1) Egypt is an Islamic country
2) Egypt has an amount of citizens that would like a (moderate) Islamist state.

That means that in a democratic society, to which Egypt is moving, there will be certain elements in parliament that call for an Islamic state. We have a party in the Netherlands called the SGP, or the "Staatskundig Gereformeerde Partij (Reformed Political Party) that basically want the Netherlands to become a theocracy.

Do we have to take them seriously? Yes, because people vote for them.
Are they a real threat to the Dutch secular state? No, not really.

I would expect roughly the same (although the Muslim Brotherhood has more influence in Egypt than the SGP has in the Netherlands.

[Furunculus]

Tell me, would you rather establish dialogue between the Muslim Brotherhood or al-Qaeda? I think we have to accept the fact that

1) Egypt is an Islamic country
2) Egypt has an amount of citizens that would like a (moderate) Islamist state.

That means that in a democratic society, to which Egypt is moving, there will be certain elements in parliament that call for an Islamic state. We have a party in the Netherlands called the SGP, or the "Staatskundig Gereformeerde Partij (Reformed Political Party) that basically want the Netherlands to become a theocracy.

Do we have to take them seriously? Yes, because people vote for them.
Are they a real threat to the Dutch secular state? No, not really.

I would expect roughly the same (although the Muslim Brotherhood has more influence in Egypt than the SGP has in the Netherlands.

hold on there, the question you asked was what do we have against the muslim brotherhood, so i answered.

i would totally prefer to have the MB instead of AQ running egypt, in the same way i'd rather have the yorshire ripper as children's minister than pol-pot, but that does not excuse either of the two lesser-evils from being dangerous idiots.

that is what the MB are showing themselves to be my making cretinous statements such as; "because only the zionists have an interest in a divided egypt"! in the context of coptic churches being burnt down.

[gaelic cowboy]

You know I suppose Israel are worried that a real democracy might actually take root in Egypt, a democratic regime in Egypt could not ignore various palestinian issues.

It would seriously disrupt Israeli security in my view

[Beskar]

You know I suppose Israel are worried that a real democracy might actually take root in Egypt, a democratic regime in Egypt could not ignore various palestinian issues.

It would seriously disrupt Israeli security in my view

They might allow the Palestinians to stay in Egypt.

[Lemur]

You know I suppose Israel are worried that a real democracy might actually take root in Egypt [...]

The Israelis are hardly unique. Every *********** in that corner of the world has been justifying their own cretinous behavior by claiming their neighbors and/or alternatives are worse. I don't care if it's Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Israel, whomever. They all validate their catalog of evils by pointing the finger at the other guy and saying, "See? He's worse."

So I cannot imagine any ME country being jazzed about the possibility -- even the faint possibility -- of classical liberal democracy emerging in a state as populous as Egypt. Pulls the rug right out from under them and their **********.

[gaelic cowboy]

The Israelis are hardly unique. Every *********** in that corner of the world has been justifying their own cretinous behavior by claiming their neighbors and/or alternatives are worse. I don't care if it's Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Israel, whomever. They all validate their catalog of evils by pointing the finger at the other guy and saying, "See? He's worse."

So I cannot imagine any ME country being jazzed about the possibility -- even the faint possibility -- of classical liberal democracy emerging in a state as populous as Egypt. Pulls the rug right out from under them and their **********.

True but only Israel stands to lose militarily in a geo-political sense.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I can't really blame them, how would you look at the tourists if you were a n Egyptian, these holidy resorts aren't for you. Amazingly little has happened so far considering they are with millions. I am completely awed by these protests.

These holiday resorts give them jobs. These holiday resorts give them the chance to sell their products. These holiday resorts bring money to Egypt. Attacking them would mean that many will loose jobs, the chance to sell their stuff to the tourists. It's stupid to attack places that make money.

However, looks like that the ones who are robbing etc are criminals who are just using this situation to make fast money.

[Furunculus]

You know I suppose Israel are worried that a real democracy might actually take root in Egypt, a democratic regime in Egypt could not ignore various palestinian issues.

It would seriously disrupt Israeli security in my view

it was an israeli premier who stated that a democratic arab ME was a precondition for a secure israel.

[gaelic cowboy]

it was an israeli premier who stated that a democratic arab ME was a precondition for a secure israel.

mere piety for an international audience I suspect

A democratic Eygpt would reduce Israeli options in Gaza and the West Bank and they know it.

[Fragony]

What's your problem with the Muslim Brotherhood anyway? They probably won't get a majority in a parliament, nor are they of the violent Islamist type.

Not that violent anymore, but they are still the same thing, you know I dispise the Islam how could I ever not have a problem with the brotherhood

You are holding a snake to your chest way too closely, it's a vicious creature, nothing but poison

[al Roumi]

afaik, in Egypt, what is happening is not about the MB or Islamism. It's all about getting rid of Mubarrak.

Western media are hugely over inflating the importance of the MB and Egyptian public desire for an Islamic state.