What have the Romans ever (actually) done for us?

[panagos7]

in fact not the first but the concept of standing armies had effected many nations after her.
Think about janissaries.... until europe started to use their own standing armies they had no match for them.....
BTW for me ottomans were muslim romans... and nearly half of the janissaries were greek before their system became corrupted...

there was rebellions in greece all along the 400 years after the fall of constantinople,not big like in 1821 but they existed.turks always hated-distrusted the romans-romaioi and never the otomman army was even close to roman ofc.they were arabs nothing to do with greeks.to crush the greeks morale and subdue them to the empire they made the [paidomazoma] took by force children at birth and enlisted them in the army or killed them, but there was always slaves serving as slaves for the army not as primary force.about what romans gave is civilised life.and that's what ottomans hated the romans for i think since forever and the wealth.the savagery at monuments,churches,statues,things that were kept in constantinople since the foundation of rome,priceless in one word,was enormus.even the city name they changed,so much was they re menace,so that the world won't remember the romans.well unfortunetly for them,good for the rest of us history preserved rome

[Ludens]

they were arabs nothing to do with greeks.

Ottomans weren't Arabs. They were Turks, from the Eastern steppe. As for the rest of your post, it reads like anti-Turkish propaganda. It's also off-topic, since we are talking about the original Roman empire, not the later Greek-Roman empire of Constantinople.

Let's get back to topic, please.

[Basileus_ton_Basileon]

Not intending to derail my own topic, but how 'roman' were the late eastern roman empire?

[Atraphoenix]

Not intending to derail my own topic, but how 'roman' were the late eastern roman empire?

I can easily write a book on this topic, 1000s of pages..... and I am too old to finish it

They used the same banner, In the imperial grave of Eastern Roman Empire you can see ">p<"
They used the same administrative system for a long time.
(We have still consules in the eastern empire)
-Both monarch claimed themselves as Emperor of Romans,
- Culture, metropolitan life, architecture, .... even effected Turks...
I think the turning point of the Hellenism, must be Sack of Rome then change of royal language in the Eastern Empire.