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    Default Re: Concerning the great worries about the self defence capabilities of Europeans.

    Just somewhat on topic.

    If America deployed most of its 11,036 Paramilitary forces to a war zone, it might tend to make the US a safer place to live. Though I am sure it would have an escalating effect on civilian casualties where ever they employed them.


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    Default Re: Concerning the great worries about the self defence capabilities of Europeans.

    Andres how can you as an intelligent man speak such nonsense

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    Default Re: Concerning the great worries about the self defence capabilities of Europeans.

    Clever post. However remember that the U.S. has an all volunteer Army while many of the other nations mentioned have mandatory military service/conscription. I'll take a volunteer over a conscript any day.


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    Default Re: Concerning the great worries about the self defence capabilities of Europeans.

    agreed, a more useful metric is dollars of defence budget per uniformed serving soldier.

    the higher the the figure the more is spent of training and equipment.
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    Default Re: Concerning the great worries about the self defence capabilities of Europeans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    Clever post. However remember that the U.S. has an all volunteer Army while many of the other nations mentioned have mandatory military service/conscription. I'll take a volunteer over a conscript any day.
    You mean like Persia had paid volunteers and for Greek city states mandatory service was essential part of being citizen?
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    Default Re: Concerning the great worries about the self defence capabilities of Europeans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    You mean like Persia had paid volunteers and for Greek city states mandatory service was essential part of being citizen?
    Sorry. I don't get it.

    Well, I think I understand your statement just not how it relates to my comment. All I'm thinking of now are pomegranates. Yum!



    Edit: Wait...That makes me sound really gay, doesn't it?

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    Default Re: Concerning the great worries about the self defence capabilities of Europeans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    Sorry. I don't get it.

    Well, I think I understand your statement just not how it relates to my comment. All I'm thinking of now are pomegranates. Yum!



    Edit: Wait...That makes me sound really gay, doesn't it?
    Well...Um..That is bit out of loop...maybe, but to the point. Maybe this whole volunteer /conscription thingy is bit of a cultural thing? I am by no means expert of US Federal law, but in your legistlation there is that war time draft, is it still there? So basically at war time some of your population can be forced to arms based on some conditions. That happened last time in Vietnam? So basically a menacing selective fast forward mandatory military service, which still does not apply to all male population? Maybe some of the Americans might clear this thing up a bit, as to me this very thing seems to be what is making "conscription" a curse word in American mindset. About the paid volunteer army. Isnt a "paid volunteer" bit of an oxymoron? Basically any career soldier in any country becomes a paid volunteer when he is not anymore part of Mandatory military service.
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    Default Re: Concerning the great worries about the self defence capabilities of Europeans.

    Again, how many times do I have to state that the size of a military is not an indication of its population's military readiness, or, indeed, its willingness? What would happen to European armies if Europe was invaded?
    Let's put it like this, if you had to recruit people for your military, would you rather be recruiting Americans or Euros? If you had to have an identical number of either Euro or American military personnel guarding you with the same equipment, who would you choose? I think that I know the answer, and THAT is my point.
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