The Half Monty [Concluded]

[Romanic]

Tally

4 Zack (GE, DIY, slashandburn, Csargo)
4 Khazaar (Romanic, Capt Blackadder, Renata, fluffy)
3 Renata (JHT, Yaropolk, Khazaar)
3 Fluffy (Zack, robbie, classical)
1 God Emperor (Nightbringer**)
--
1 not voting (pever)

** Did not unvote before voting pevergreen.

[Nightbringer]

oops, unvote, vote:pevergreen

[Askthepizzaguy]

Day Two

5 Khazaar (Romanic, Capt Blackadder, Renata, fluffy, "Askthepizzaguy")
4 Zack (GE, DIY, slashandburn, Csargo)
3 Renata (JHT, Yaropolk, Khazaar)
3 Fluffy (Zack, robbie, classical)
1 God Emperor (Nightbringer**)
--
1 not voting (pever)

Springfield City Hall


Waylon Smithers: "Those responsible for murdering Monty Burns are still at large. I think we should grab someone and make them pay for this crime. It's what Monty would have wanted; swift, brutal revenge."

Moe the Bartender: "Well uh, who do you recommends? We can't let a lynch mob like this go to waste. Let's get to the revengening!"

Groundskeeper Willie: "I think we should get rid of the fat one. Toss him in the school's deep fryer, and cover him with steak sauce and feed 'im to Mister Burns' hounds."

Comic Book Guy: "If that is the best execution you can come up with, then I will be on the internet in precisely 37 seconds blogging my displeasure for all to see."

Barney Gumble: "I think the monkey did it!"

Lisa Simpson: "What monkey, mister Gumble?"

Barney Gumble: "Who are you callin' a monkey, little miss smarty pants?"

Lisa Simpson: "No, I'm asking you, what monkey killed Mister Burns?"

Barney Gumble: "A MONKEY KILLED MISTER BURNS??? RUN AWAY, THERE'S A MURDEROUS MONKEY ON THE LOOSE!!!" *BELCH*

Marge Simpson: "If we have to do this unpleasant business, let's put it to a vote."

Sideshow Mel: "Indeed! The people must decide!"

Chief Clancy Wiggum: "Okay, I've got all the votes here in this box. And I'm sure it hasn't been tampered with, because the lock on the ballot box is unbroken."

Lisa Simpson: "But Chief Wiggum, it wasn't even locked. Someone has probably stuffed the ballot box."

Mayor Quimby: "Well err ahh who would commit that kind of voting fraud? I have faith in the ah people of err Springfield, to vote their conscience, and vote Quimby!"

Lisa Simpson: "But mayor Quimby, this isn't an election, it's an execution."

Mayor Quimby: "I knew that, but uh thank you for reminding me, sweet little girl. Let me just change my vote really quickly then."

*Mayor Quimby scribbles a different name on the piece of paper and shoves it in the ballot box*



Clancy Wiggum: "I've counted the votes, and the official tally is..... five votes for Sideshow Mel, and four votes for...."

Sideshow Mel: "What? This is an outrage! I demand a recount!"

Mayor Quimby: "Once again the people have er ah decided. Throw him in the deep fryer!"

Clancy Wiggum: "Deep fryer? Can't I just shoot him in the face or something?"

Homer Simpson: "Too late, pal! The mob has spoken!"

Seymour Skinner: "Lunchlady Doris, wheel in the industrial-sized fry-o-lator."

A massive vat of boiling grease is brought into the middle of the meeting.

Ralph Wiggum: "That smells yummy. Is he going in the hot tub, daddy?"

Chief Wiggum: "Yes, my little Ralphie. Now you get to see how McDonald's chicken McNuggets are made!"

Ralph Wiggum: "Our dog's breath smells like cat poop!"

Sideshow Mel: "Oh, how it burns my skin! What a horrifying way to shuffle off this mortal coil!"

Groundskeeper Willie: "Ach, shut your noisemaker, you bone-wearin' motor-mouthed pudding cup! That oil isn't even hot enough to kill the E. Coli the chicken nuggets are swimmin' in, you grass-wearin' whistle-blower!"

Sideshow Mel: "Well if it's not hot enough to kill me, what's the point?"

Homer Simpson: "Marge, may I?"

Marge Simpson: "Here you go, homey."


Marge hands Homer the iron frying pan, who promptly bashes Wiggum's face so hard that it makes his nose look like a pig's snout.



Homer Simpson: "That's for arresting Mel Gibson! That man has brought the world nothing but wholesome, family friendly entertainment, like Braveheart and The Passion of the Christ, and Lethal Weapon 4!"

Clancy Wiggum: "OW!!! Was that really necessary?"

Marge Simpson: "Uh, Homey, we're executing Sideshow Mel...."

Homer Simpson: "Who?"

Marge Simpson: "Krusty the Clown's sidekick?"

Homer Simpson: "Oh, Bonehead? I got nothin' against him."

Sideshow Mel: "I always feared this fateful day would come. Cruel fortune..... but I must die with dignity. I have poisoned myself with strychnine, and it should be taking effect rather soon...."

Seymour Skinner: "Oh, sweet, innocent Mel. That oil is practically nothing but strychnine. The school has a bit of a rodent and bird infestation."

Lisa Simpson: "Which shouldn't even kill Sideshow Mel, as the Fox-owned Spring chemical manufacturing plant located next to the Springfield reservoir has been dumping excess strychnine into the town's water supply for decades, and everyone in town has already developed an immunity to the otherwise lethal poison."

Hans Moleman: "Not me..... I always drink bottled water...."

Lisa Simpson: "Well, if you drink any of the major brands that label themselves 'Spring' water, then you're drinking water that's been bottled at the Springfield reservoir, next to the 'Spring' chemical plant. That's why they can avoid lawsuits for false advertising while maintaining a surprisingly low production cost."

Hans Moleman: "I think I'm going to be sick...."

Lisa Simpson: "None of this would have happened if you all had listened to the school essay I wrote for Earth Day entitled 'Spring water, delicious natural refreshment, or toxic sludge?'"

Sideshow Mel: "I can't take this anymore. The child is too much of a know-it-all, even for me!"

Sideshow Mel takes the giant bone out of his hair and smashes his own skull in with it, ending his life.

Khazaar- Sideshow Mel

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sideshow Mel was innocent!

Alive: 15/18


Captain Blackadder
classical_hero
Csargo
Death is yonder
God Emperor
Johnhughthom
Nightbringer
pevergreen
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
Slashandburn
TheFluffyOne
Yaropolk
Zack


Dead: 3/18

Askthepizzaguy- Charles Montgomery Burns (Innocent)
Diamondeye- Bart Simpson (Innocent)
Khazaar- Sideshow Mel (Innocent)








Begin Night Two.

And yes, the tally was altered.

[classical_hero]

How many people are reading that with the voice characters in their heads? I know I am,

[Yaropolk]

So Zack, are you Quimby or his scum partner?

[Zack]

Whichever one is rolling their eyes more.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Night Two

Flanders residence

Ned Flanders: "Ok Rodster, Toddster, did you brush your teeth and say your prayers?"

Rod Flanders: "Yes daddy! I prayed three times to make sure Jesus heard it!"

Todd Flanders: "I prayed four times to make sure Jesus could hear mine more!"

Ned Flanders: "Now sons, it's not a contest. Jesus will decide which of you has the purest soul on the day of your judgment."

Rod Flanders: "After we die and go up to heaven to see mommy again."

Todd Flanders: "When are we going to die, daddy?"

Ned Flanders: "Not for a long time. But don't you worry, if you two are good little boys, and grow up to be good men who love their wives and don't drink or dance or swear, then someday, it will happen to you, too."

Rod and Todd: "YAYYYY!!!!"

Ned Flanders: "If you pray really hard, maybe Jesus will let you know when Death is yonder."

Suddenly, Death is yonder stops reading and begins cursing at the computer screen. The rest of you keep reading.

Rod Flanders: "Daddy, what were those strange words that bad man was saying?"

Ned Flanders: "Cover your ears, children. Those are curse words. And those who speak them know for certain that eternal Death is yonder."

Todd Flanders: "Death is yonder?"

Ned Flanders: "Yep, Death is yonder."

Rod Flanders: "Let me make sure I heard you Daddy. What was yonder?"

Ned Flanders: "Well, Rod my boy, Death is yonder. Those who speak the words of curse know that their death is yonder. And that's why you shouldn't say those words."

Todd Flanders: "Curse words make baby Jesus cry."

Rod Flanders: "And then, Death is yonder!"

Ned Flanders: "Yes, Death is indeed yonder. Having said that, it's getting late. I'm dead on my feet, and I feel a little stiff. I need to go rest in peace. And remember kids, tomorrow, we're going to go out to the country and see about buying that farm."

Rod and Todd: "YAYYYYY!!!"



Ned closes the door to Rod and Todd's bedroom, when he hears the click of a revolver. He turns around to see someone or something pointing the weapon right at his face.




Ned Flanders: "Well hidely ho, intruder-eeno. I see you've got a gun pointed at my sniffer. Well friend, I keep three hundred dollars cash in the box next to the front door, with a big old sign that says "help yourself". No need to give nervous Neddy the heebie-jeebies! And if you need help carrying off my big screen TV, I'll be happy to oblige!"

The intruder just grinned silently, and slid forward into the light, where Ned could get a good look at.... whatever it was. Cigar smoke swirled around the figure.

Ned Flanders: "Why, you.... you're nothing but a... a.... vicious, godless beast!"

The armed intruder just started laughing. The inhuman screeching continued, until the figure pulled the trigger, splattering Ned Flanders' brains all over the bedroom door.

Rod Flanders: "YAYYYY!!! Daddy's reunited with Mommy!"

Todd Flanders: "I guess Death really was yonder."

Death is yonder- Ned Flanders

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ned Flanders was innocent!

Alive: 14/18


Captain Blackadder
classical_hero
Csargo
God Emperor
Johnhughthom
Nightbringer
pevergreen
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
Slashandburn
TheFluffyOne
Yaropolk
Zack


Dead: 4/18

Askthepizzaguy- Charles Montgomery Burns (Innocent)
Diamondeye- Bart Simpson (Innocent)
Khazaar- Sideshow Mel (Innocent)
Death is yonder- Ned Flanders (Innocent)







Begin Day Three.

[classical_hero]

We are looking for a monkey, since he is our suspect. Mr Teeny needs to be put out of his misery.

[Death is yonder]

Bah

Seems like I got killed for being a bit too on the mark eh Zack?

Plus killing the quiet guy is always a safe bet

[johnhughthom]

Mr Mayorman, I forgetted your secrets so it's unpossible for me to tell anybody.

[pevergreen]

No reeeeeal loss enyway, I heeted the churchie guay.

[Yaropolk]

vote: zack
Explain how and why you were saved from lynch last night.

[Zack]

It was a tie, silly. There's supposed to be no lynch when there is a tie, so I wasn't saved from anything by Khazaar getting an extra vote. And lynches happen during the day, not at night.

[Romanic]

The Day 2 lynch is likely the result of someone having a tie-breaking ability, possibly one of the Khazaar voters. That would be why we've seen an *Askthepizzaguy* vote on Day 2 but not on Day 1.

[Romanic]

DIY was voting Zack yesterday and he's dead today.

vote: Zack

Perhaps a little too easy, but we'll see.

[thefluffyone93]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Vote: Zack

[Zack]

Vote: fluffy

Second day in a row he's voted me only after:

1. Two others have voted for me
2. I was the clear favorite for the lynch

[God Emperor]

vote: zack
Explain how and why you were saved from lynch last night.

This is not good enough... We know a tie means no lynch.. and there was a tie yesterday, so Zack was never 'saved' by anyone. Thus your reason, if any, should be regarded as invalid.
judging by yesterday, Zack is today the absolute most easy target to vote for today, and people who are attacking him today should be focused on.

Vote: Yaropolk ; your vote today, and your follow up on DE's hunch

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Renata

What are these secrets I forgetted to remember? And what was that lady doing in your lap?

[thefluffyone93]

Vote: Renata

What are these secrets I forgetted to remember? And what was that lady doing in your lap?

Uh....Is someone supposed to understand this?
I want to hear something understandable for this vote.

Also...

Unvote
GE makes a good point.

[Death is yonder]

At the top of my post, I felt it necessary to include a small blurb that my post should by no means be considered the gospel truth to be followed simply because I'm confirmed innocent (I don't have any out of thread information to back this up, obviously), instead, just accord to me the credibility by not taking this post with a pinch of salt (EG: Considering posts to, but rather as any one person's possibly fallible line of thinking (that doesn't mean you can just dismiss the arguments in an off-hand manner though). I actually wanted to post this yesterday, before Zack's most recent posts, but I delayed it to see his reactions to the situation and they only reinforce my decision to go ahead with this. While a general accusation of Zack, I hope that this post serves its overall purpose to provide questions to mull over.

This is not good enough... We know a tie means no lynch.. and there was a tie yesterday, so Zack was never 'saved' by anyone. Thus your reason, if any, should be regarded as invalid.
judging by yesterday, Zack is today the absolute most easy target to vote for today, and people who are attacking him today should be focused on.

Vote: Yaropolk ; your vote today, and your follow up on DE's hunch

In my opinion when I viewed the extra vote, the thought process that followed was that:

Its day 2, if a pro-town character had this ability to add an extra vote (which most likely is a one-use ability owing to the size of the game), it would be saved for a crucial round to possibly turn the odds in the town's favor, or when a strong suspect might just escape the lynch in the late game. At this point, the information that said "pro-town" would possess (hypothetically if it was a pro-town that used it) would likely not justify its early usage against its potential importance in the late game, after all, it is only day 2 and the suspicion on Khazaar is just that he's being a low profile individual, which is what Khazaar usually if not always does. Here, a slightly off track question must also be brought in to consider: Romanic acknowledges Fluffy's, well, Fluffy-ish style of being very jokey and all, but yet forgets to take into consideration Khazaar's somewhat lurker style. A question to ponder is, Why?

Therefore it must be considered also, why was it used on Khazaar and not Zack, or even, why was it used at all?

It seems unlikely that a pro-town individual in the given circumstance (little information in general to make an educated guess on whom to use an ability) would place a deciding vote to lynch somebody in the early game, especially when the choice is between someone is being his typical low profile style (Khazaar), and someone appears to be very twitchy and antagonistic, and choosing the person who is being typical to boot. (Perhaps my word choice is too strong, but Zack does seem to be very bitter and annoyed about his lynch, as if it would be the end of the world or something).

I feel that in conjunction with what has been said above, I probably should explain the "hunch" behind my last vote before I died.

Zack does not seem like he's trying to catch scum, merely trying to advance get through a lynch round with what he thought would be a decent vote. In this post, he advocates fluffy's lynch for as he calls it, being the most "egregious spammer", a rather negative word to use in my opinion. I'm not sure of Zack's view on off-topic posting [perhaps the CFC folk could provide some insight], but evidently his choice of words here indicate that he's voting fluffy because he perceives fluffy's post to be detrimental to the discussion. Not sure how that links to fluffy being scummy though, because after all, votes by innocent townspeople are meant to be placed on their strongest suspect, not the most "annoying" person.

In case its not here, here's a definition courtesy of dictionary.com

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Egregious
–adjective
1.
extraordinary in some bad way; glaring; flagrant: an egregious mistake; an egregious liar.

When placed under a third vote by Fluffy (which places him convincingly in the lead in a short space of time), he reacts interestingly, defending his previous vote on fluffy to be something silly and trivial, which is contrary to his usage of the word egregious, which was in fact, a very strong word to be using and hardly trivial.

Queerly enough, Zack changes his reasoning from "Fluffy the egregious and flagrant spammer must go" to "Fluffy who squirmed and OMGUS'd me while trying to play it cool and fit in" [which will make sense later in the post]

As Romanic points out, Zack's case doesn't make that much sense either, but yet he pursues Fluffy's lynch because he knows that he's in the lead and he's going to have to come up with another lynch suspect to make it all go away.

Following suit from his previous example of changing his reasoning for voting Fluffy, in response to Romanic saying that only the OMGUS component of Zack's accusation made sense, Zack changes his "reasoning" for why Fluffy should be voted for [AKA why he thinks Fluffy is guilty] from "reacted scummily to my vote on him" to that of "bandwagonning OMGUS" after he realizes that his previous reasoning will not hold water in his attempt to make fluffy the lynch instead of himself.

I will cautiously note, however, that Zack seemed content to leave himself voting Fluffy rather than saving himself by voting Khazaar or something.

On the other hand, it is extremely important to remember that Zack was trying to salvage himself from the lynch, and placing the deciding vote to lynch Khazaar would look very bad on himself, especially considering the fact that he was already almost lynched for being too twitchy and jumpy, reacting to save himself publicly would be a very bad idea. Taking a hypothetical situation where Zack is mafia, he would know that Khazaar will definitely turn out to be innocent, and as such, outright placing a deciding vote on Khazaar would simply result in him getting lynched next round.

Which then brings about my main/overall point:

Since it is unlikely that it was a pro-town role that placed the deciding vote on Khazaar rather than to leave it at a tie, a point that must be considered is that mafia do not like being left in a tie, especially when their lives are on the line, and most certainly, much less when they won't be around in the final moments of the round. With reference to the time stamps on the posts, the time period between Zack's last post and pizza's write up was approximately just over 6 hours. [Caution, assumption is that Zack lives in America/Canada/Similar timezone] Assuming that Zack is in the EST zone, he would have carefully reviewed the timing of the round and realized that it would end during a time where he would be sleeping.

With reference to all of his posts and the above assumption, Zack's latest post in any given day is about 10.30pm EST ++, which means that typically he would/might check the thread until that time perhaps plus minus an hour tops (because its only his last post, not his final thread check of the day). Csargo's vote change to Zack was at about 11pm EST which means that its plausible that Zack could have seen Csargo's post and simultaneously noted that any sudden change in the voting (with hours to spare) was possible. As such, it is extremely likely, that would Zack have possessed a vote altering/vote adding (in this case) ability, he would have used it as a safeguard against any vote switching that had a very high chance of resulting in his death [this voting round would be crucial to the mafia (surely if one of them died, they would be greatly crippled, it being so early in the game) and as such, warrant the use of this one use ability] (Which ties in with what I said about it being unlikely that a pro-town would have been the culprit that used this ability, as well as this nature of one shot ability typically being saved for crucial points of time)

ConclusionFinally?

1. It is extremely unlikely that it was a pro-town role who altered the vote owing to very nature of the ability, in that it was likely one use, and would likely have been saved until a crucial period of time where said pro-town role would have more information to work with

2. Zack does not seem to be trying to make a conscientious effort to lynch what an ordinary townie would try his best to do, lynch who he thinks is mafia. Instead, he tries to lynch Fluffy based on "being a spammer (which implies annoyance rather than perception of guilty), and constantly changes his vote reasoning to fit public opinion.

a) When Fluffy OMGUS'd him, he omitted the causing factor [Fluffy voted him for not noticing that he IS a spammer, so Zack changes his reasoning from being a spammer to Fluffy's reaction to Zack's own vote]

b) Romanic criticizing Zack's reasoning, so Zack plucks out only what Romanic thought was valid in his argument, that Fluffy was OMGUS voting him (which in itself is not a very strong reason for constantly and doggedly voting someone for two straight rounds, and constantly alluding to Fluffy's guilt.

c) Playing the victim of Fluffy's two rounds in a row vote on him, and continuing on his modified reasoning [post Romanic criticism] as if it were his original reason in the first place. He tries to steer public opinion towards a lynch on Fluffy by focusing on Fluffy's bandwagoning, without stating how that could possibly mean that Fluffy is guilty. In essence, Zack is only trying to lynch people without making references to how the reasoning he poses leads to a conclusion of them being guilty.

3. Based on an assumption of Zack's timezone (to be EST/North America), as well as references to the typical time that Zack is online, it is clear that before the conclusion of Day 2's lynch, Zack knew that in the still many hours that he was unable to be online, it was highly possible that he could be pushed forward into the lead by a last minute decision [It is likely that witnessing Csargo's vote switch (which he likely was able to view before he went to bed) greatly upped this fear]

4. On a follow up with Point 3, he knew that he would be unable to outright and publicly secure his position and switch his vote to Khazaar because:

a) He would lose a lot of credibility. Up till now his in thread persona seemed totally convinced that Fluffy was guilty. Diverging now only to save himself would make him lose any credibility he possessed and result in him getting lynched next round

b) In addition, were Zack mafia, he would know Khazaar's alignment to be innocent. Since post-death reveals were the case in this game, last minute switching to Khazaar in public to save himself would not only make him lose his credibility utterly [in conjunction with Point 4a] but practically guarantee his immediate lynch next round.

5. As such, it fits very nicely, that in this dire circumstance where the mafia could be crippled in the early game, measures had to be taken to prolong Zack's lifespan without making him get instantly lynched the following round as suggested in point 4. The round was admittedly crucial, if Zack died in Day 2, the mafia would have to hobble along and hope for lots of good fortune to carry them through.

6. Earlier I mentioned that such an ability (the addition of a vote) would be conserved by whichever alignment possessed it until a crucial point of time. [A continuation of Point 1, as well as my question posed early on of:

Therefore it must be considered also, why was it used on Khazaar and not Zack, or even, why was it used at all?

a) It is extremely unlikely that it was a pro-town role that used it

ai) This ability, likely one shot in its nature (after all it being a small game), would be conserved in the off chance that the pro-town role would be able to turn around the odds in the end game, where town would normally have lost [1 Mafia 1 Townie/1 Mafia 2 Townies] to greater increase the chances of town winning

aii) Either that, or it would be conserved till at least the later rounds, so that with greater in-thread information to refer to, said pro-town role in possession of this ability (if it existed) would be able to make a more educated guess and better place this extra vote on a strong suspect to make sure the aforementioned suspect is lynched and does not worm his way out.

b) Moreover, the choice of the ability was Khazaar, rather than Zack. In my opinion, Khazaar was being the quintessential Khazaar. He was largely lurking, popping in here and there only, whereas Zack was twitchy, very jumpy, and his tone seemed bitter about being lynched, as if it was something really horrible to be doing, even though its was just Day 2 and townie lynches are an inevitable result of almost any mafia game. As such, it would be a huge gambit to waste a potentially game winning one-shot ability and use it on somebody for being himself were the intent of the usage pro-town.

7. Were Zack a mafia, this would indeed be the crucial time in the game to use the ability rather than to let himself possibly die in a time frame where he could do nothing about it. If the mafia were to go one man down in a small game this early, it would be very crippling, especially considering how little is gained from it.

8. Therefore, Zack or his teammate was making sure that he 100% would not get lynched this round, all at the same time avoiding any negative townie feedback which would result from him doing it via public vote change (and its working too, as seen by the current town opinion on the matter)

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While you may argue that my case is based on hypothetical situations and does not account for human error, or perhaps just purely coincidental, there are way too many of these "coincidences" for me to ignore the situation. When one steps back and views the big picture, too many dots are joined and seem to fit PLUS we are but in Day 3, I think that the sheer number of coincidences cannot be overlooked and cast aside merely because you view that its just "suppositions".

While GE's point is valid to a certain extent that Zack "was not saved" because it was a tie in the end, the factor of "fear" must be considered strongly. Zack was likely around to witness Csargo's vote that changed it into a tie. This leads to a fear that someone else might do the same and push him in the lead. Zack is stuck in a catch-22 because if he changes the vote to make sure that he doesn't get lynched, public opinion of his actions will sour dramatically. Moreover, this fear is exacerbated because the round is ending at a point of time in the day where he is sleeping and thus helpless to make any last minute decisions. Hence, any smart mafia would take the necessary precaution to avoid the possibility of someone breaking the tie while he is sleeping by placing an extra vote on Khazaar. This means that even if somebody did switch to vote Zack, it would still be a tie, and hence he would be safe from the lynch, unless the highly improbable situation of two people last minute switching their votes occurred.

Anyway, I didn't spend over an hour typing this, and slogging through about half an hour of internet difficulties for this to be ignored. Kindly at the very least read through it and pause to think.

people who are attacking him today should be focused on.

So yes, I'm accusing Zack, do focus on what I'm saying and give me your thoughts

That is all

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If Zack isn't mafia, then at the very least I tried my level best

And I do apologize that there is no tl;dr version, because this is ultimately as condensed as I can make it without the substance and link between the points disappearing

[thefluffyone93]

So....much....text....
But I think I got the gist of it.
Vote: Zack

That was the gist of it right?

[Death is yonder]

And I do apologize that there is no tl;dr version, because this is ultimately as condensed as I can make it without the substance and link between the points disappearing

That was the gist of it right?

Kinda.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bah, I've made much bigger posts than that.

[Death is yonder]

Bahhh its only Day 3

[slashandburn]

Your reasoning was clear, I wouldn't have switched the votes if I had that power. IT means that Zack has a very high chance of being mafia, fluffy, very high but not absolute. So,
Vote:Zack

[Nightbringer]

um, yah, what DIY said :D

But honestly, that made a lot of sense, and given the lack of much else to go on at this point, there really isn't much reason not to vote:zack
At the very least he will stop tying up all our attention.

On a side note, JHT, I think we would be better served by your contributing to the discussion than just voting Renata because of something about a lady and a lap.

[Renata]

Well all righty, enough of that.

I'm Mayor Quimby, and the tie-breaking vote was mine. It was not a one-off; it will show up whenever I am part of a bandwagon that is tied with any other for the lead at the end of the day. (It will not *cause* a tie.) Hence why Khazaar got lynched; I was voting for him.

I was wondering who would be the first to portray this as an anti-town power and why; and who would conclude that it was NOT an anti-town power, and why. I won't reliably be around until this evening, so this is as far as I can let it run.

[Death is yonder]

I was wondering who would be the first to portray this as an anti-town power and why; and who would conclude that it was NOT an anti-town power, and why. I won't reliably be around until this evening, so this is as far as I can let it run.

There was no precedent for this thus far, nobody could have known. I do not see why you phrase your above statement as such, as if trying to lower the credibility of my post, as if my post was a wild thought that escaped free and should be locked up and forgotten.

Anyway what's stopping you from being an anti-town role? Claiming Mayor Quimby hardly provides any insight into your alignment. If you've soft claimed your role and your abilities, show your full role. Right now the only people reaping the full benefits are the mafia, because they know your alignment and now they know your ability (if you're telling the truth in the first place). I also note that conveniently you have 12 more hours to prepare any defense of your role/faking a role pm. Since you're online now, do claim quickly, or you're not telling the truth and should be taken to be Zack's partner.

There is nothing to indicate your alignment as either town or anti-town. There is only inthread evidence that "Mayor Quimby" played around with the tally.

The write up was ambiguous, it could easily just have been an ability-wise vote manipulation as it could have been what you claim to be your ability.

In any case, I don't see why the case on Zack should be so off-hand discarded, and I'm extremely suspicious of the fact that you chose not to respond to several of my points indicating Zack's wishy washy lynch reasonings which were obviously not made to find a guilty party, but rather to incite the town against a particular individual (fluffy). Moreover, he, as evidenced by in thread posts, constantly edited his case on fluffy, if it could even be called a case, to fit townie public opinion, where I clearly mentioned in my post that he suited his reasoning merely to meet town expectations. **[Removed two words for ease in my meaning being conveyed]

Regardless of whether you are telling the truth or not Renata, why are you ignoring the substance in my post that remain strikes against Zack irregardless of your post? (Even assuming you are telling the whole truth).

Its day 3 and still early in the game, its a fairly decent lynch based on his in thread behavior regardless, and if its a wrong lynch the town is still strong. Lynch Zack, he has been twitchy and jumpy in thread, and his votes are clearly not attempts at trying to actually find suspects. I really don't see why this shouldn't be the case unless a better suspect can be brought up.

***Anyway, where's the role claim hmm? I remember in older mafia games they had a general saying that "Role-claim within 5 minutes or its fake" or something along those lines. I apologize if the grumpy tone of my post rubs you wrongly, but I did spend over an hour and a half making it not for it to just be discarded so in such a non-substantiated manner

*Edited for clarity [2minutes after actual post]
** Edited for greater clarity, and I note that Renata is STILL online. [10 minutes after post]
***Edited again [13 ish minutes after actual post]
**** And you went offline just like that, right. [16~ minutes after actual post]

[johnhughthom]

On a side note, JHT, I think we would be better served by your contributing to the discussion than just voting Renata because of something about a lady and a lap.

Dr Hibbert said mommy fastened my diapers too tight when I was a baby and cut off the bleeding flying around my body. That's why I'm special. Moo.