The Half Monty [Concluded]

[Renata]

There was no precedent for this thus far, nobody could have known. I do not see why you phrase your above statement as such, as if trying to lower the credibility of my post, as if my post was a wild thought that escaped free and should be locked up and forgotten.

Dude, I'm not trying to lower the credibility of your post at all (in that sense); you're just wrong. I'm sorry you went to so much effort for nothing.

Anyway what's stopping you from being an anti-town role? Claiming Mayor Quimby hardly provides any insight into your alignment. If you've soft claimed your role and your abilities, show your full role.

I have not soft-claimed anything; that's the whole role. As such I didn't see much point to posting a role PM, but if you insist:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Mayor Joe Quimby

Role: "Diamond" Joe Quimby
Alignment: Innocent
Special Ability: Your vote acts as a tiebreaker. Whoever you vote for, secretly counts as double unless it would force a tie.

Victory Condition: All the murderers are wiped out. (Townie team victory)

Right now the only people reaping the full benefits are the mafia, because they know your alignment and now they know your ability (if you're telling the truth in the first place). I also note that conveniently you have 12 more hours to prepare any defense of your role/faking a role pm. Since you're online now, do claim quickly, or you're not telling the truth and should be taken to be Zack's partner.

This is just not true. Did you even go back and check my interactions with Zack yesterday? Does that really look like two mafia to you?

There is nothing to indicate your alignment as either town or anti-town. There is only inthread evidence that "Mayor Quimby" played around with the tally.

The write up was ambiguous, it could easily just have been an ability-wise vote manipulation as it could have been what you claim to be your ability.

I'm not going to try to engineer a tie with me in it just to allay your doubts, but I won't avoid it, either.

In any case, I don't see why the case on Zack should be so off-hand discarded, and I'm extremely suspicious of the fact that you chose not to respond to several of my points indicating Zack's wishy washy lynch reasonings which were obviously not made to find a guilty party, but rather to incite the town against a particular individual (fluffy). Moreover, he, as evidenced by in thread posts, constantly edited his case on fluffy, if it could even be called a case, to fit townie public opinion, where I clearly mentioned in my post that he suited his reasoning merely to meet town expectations. **[Removed two words for ease in my meaning being conveyed]

I didn't "choose not to respond", per se; I simply didn't have the time to. My claim should make no difference to Zack's overall scumminess or lack thereof, but I did intend it to shed light on what should and should not be considered evidence for that. That said, I think it quite possible that your conclusions about the "saving vote" are giving you some confirmation bias as regards Zack himself. I myself do not find him particularly scummy right now. I agree with his vote today on fluffy, and I'm most interested myself in the two players who used your (false) reasoning as evidence to join the Zack bandwagon. That would be slashandburn and Nightbringer. I think both should be greatly pressured.

vote: slashandburn

Regardless of whether you are telling the truth or not Renata, why are you ignoring the substance in my post that remain strikes against Zack irregardless of your post? (Even assuming you are telling the whole truth).

Because a) I didn't really read it (still haven't. will try to before the end of the day). I've been waiting for my "cue", so to speak, ever since Dawn, and a skim of your long post and the two votes following provided it. And b) My reveal had nothing to do with defending Zack, per se, only with (hopefully) trapping some opportunistic scum being opportunistic. So it wasn't particularly on my mind to care what you think about Zack himself.

Its day 3 and still early in the game, its a fairly decent lynch based on his in thread behavior regardless, and if its a wrong lynch the town is still strong. Lynch Zack, he has been twitchy and jumpy in thread, and his votes are clearly not attempts at trying to actually find suspects. I really don't see why this shouldn't be the case unless a better suspect can be brought up.

You don't think his vote on fluffy was any good?

***Anyway, where's the role claim hmm? I remember in older mafia games they had a general saying that "Role-claim within 5 minutes or its fake" or something along those lines. I apologize if the grumpy tone of my post rubs you wrongly, but I did spend over an hour and a half making it not for it to just be discarded so in such a non-substantiated manner

*Edited for clarity [2minutes after actual post]
** Edited for greater clarity, and I note that Renata is STILL online. [10 minutes after post]
***Edited again [13 ish minutes after actual post]
**** And you went offline just like that, right. [16~ minutes after actual post]

Yeah, you might want to check what the lag is on inactivity. I don't think I actually did anything on the site after posting; if there's a 15 minute lag, that would fit right in.