150 years ago today Texas seceded from the union

[Strike For The South]

And Sam Houston refused to take the oath to the confederacy

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

I love the smell of "states rights" in the morning

[Louis VI the Fat]

Sometimes I get the impression that the 'states rights' debate is just a silly semantics game.


'States wanted to protect their right of slavery against the federal government'. What does this mean? Is the issue slavery or the right of the state?

[Vuk]

And Sam Houston refused to take the oath to the confederacy



I love the smell of "states rights" in the morning

lol, you cannot equate the two. Yes, the issue of States Rights was raised over slavery/racism, but could be raised for just about any cause. The issue of States Rights is completely and wholely separate from the issue of slavery.
In fact, just before the civil war States Rights and Secession were being used and threatened by the North to COMBAT slavery and racism. Quit trying to blur the issues into one. That does you no credit.

[PanzerJaeger]

And if you were a Confederate commander, it was a good thing that they did. Texas fielded some of the best units in the Confederate forces.

[Strike For The South]

And if you were a Confederate commander, it was a good thing that they did. Texas fielded some of the best units in the Confederate forces.

Thank you sir you are to kind

lol, you cannot equate the two. Yes, the issue of States Rights was raised over slavery/racism, but could be raised for just about any cause. The issue of States Rights is completely and wholely separate from the issue of slavery.
In fact, just before the civil war States Rights and Secession were being used and threatened by the North to COMBAT slavery and racism. Quit trying to blur the issues into one. That does you no credit.

Every single Ordanince of secession extolls the white man and villifies the black man. States rights is nothing more than a guise used by the southern elite to drum support from the poor yeoman farmer. The elite planters in the south felt there way of life was being threatned by the changing times and the saw the north as the tangiable enboidment of this. Of course when your way of life depends on human subjugation it deserves to be extereminated.

And I would enjoy a link about this so called Northern secession, I am however not holding my breath

It is not a states right to deny the human rights that make a republic possible. It isn't even until 1964 that America can be considerd a republic in the truest sense

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery -- the greatest material interest of the world,"

Mississippi

Sometimes I get the impression that the 'states rights' debate is just a silly semantics game.


'States wanted to protect their right of slavery against the federal government'. What does this mean? Is the issue slavery or the right of the state?

The issue is slavery

[Vuk]

Thank you sir you are to kind



Every single Ordanince of secession extolls the white man and villifies the black man. States rights is nothing more than a guise used by the southern elite to drum support from the poor yeoman farmer. The elite planters in the south felt there way of life was being threatned by the changing times and the saw the north as the tangiable enboidment of this. Of course when your way of life depends on human subjugation it deserves to be extereminated.

And I would enjoy a link about this so called Northern secession, I am however not holding my breath

It is not a states right to deny the human rights that make a republic possible. It isn't even until 1964 that America can be considerd a republic in the truest sense



The issue is slavery

Ok, let me spell this out for you. States Rights is simply a tool if you will - a tool that can be used for any cause. During the civil war it was used for slavery, but during any part of time could be used for any issue. In our current day for instance, people are talking States Rights again, this time about the Health Care Bill. Let me guess, that has to do with Racial Supremacy and slavery, right?

Pardon me that I cannot provide you with a link, but it was in a college lecture that I learned about it (which means that you must take it as the gospel, as college professors can never be wrong).
I did find this on wiki though.
Note that it says that secession was often threatened.

[Strike For The South]

Ok, let me spell this out for you. States Rights is simply a tool if you will - a tool that can be used for any cause. During the civil war it was used for slavery, but during any part of time could be used for any issue. In our current day for instance, people are talking States Rights again, this time about the Health Care Bill. Let me guess, that has to do with Racial Supremacy and slavery, right?

I realize that, but many people buy into the fact that the Souths sovrigenty was being threatend and that was the main reason for the war.

Pardon me that I cannot provide you with a link, but it was in a college lecture that I learned about it (which means that you must take it as the gospel, as college professors can never be wrong).
I did find this on wiki though.
Note that it says that secession was often threatened.

By whom the abolishonits? You mean the crazies who wanted equal rights?

[Subotan]

Ok, let me spell this out for you. States Rights is simply a tool if you will - a tool that can be used for any cause. During the civil war it was used for slavery, but during any part of time could be used for any issue. In our current day for instance, people are talking States Rights again, this time about the Health Care Bill. Let me guess, that has to do with Racial Supremacy and slavery, right?

States rights are not such when those alleged rights are used to keep human beings in chains on the basis of the colour of their skin.

EDIT

: I still think that a state has the right to seceed.

What you think is irrelevant. The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that secession is illegal.