Finally - PM states multiculturalism has failed

[rory_20_uk]

Linkey

Sadly, he appears to be going off on a tangent against Muslim Extremism, but the point is valid more generally.

Nothing bar the rhetoric so far, but it's a start.

[HoreTore]

More nonsense from a conservative. I'm not surprised.

Does this mean he will disband the union and renounce his rule over Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland?

[rory_20_uk]

You are aware what constitutes the UK, right?

[Fragony]

Where was he the rest of the time, can't really take the newfound insights of Camaron and that plumb eastblock workhorse Merkel very seriously. But it's a start at least agreed

[HoreTore]

You are aware what constitutes the UK, right?

Yes, I do. The UK consists of at least four different major cultures: the english, the welsh, the scots and the irish. And then there's a number of colonial cultures incorporated into the kingdom/empire.

And it has worked brilliantly, and propelled the british into a position as the worlds mowt powerful empire for a few centuries. While the French ruled by the motto of one culture, that the colonies should strive towards becomming French, the Brits did the opposite and encouraged the colonies to maintain and develop their own culture. And as history has shown, this was the best way yo do it, as the Brits surpassed the French.


Britain is the shining example of how powerful a multicultural state is compared to a monocultural state.

But tthen the brits started copying the errors the rest of europe did and renounced the multiculture that made them strong, and lo and behold, they lost their position as number one to another state that has embraced multiculturalism, the USA.

[Rhyfelwyr]

But tthen the brits started copying the errors the rest of europe did and renounced the multiculture that made them strong, and lo and behold, they lost their position as number one to another state that has embraced multiculturalism, the USA.

No!

Britain was strong when it was one nation. When the Union Flag flew proudly from London, to Glasgow, to Belfast, to Cardiff. At the height of Empire, Scottish nationalism was the preserve of a few rich romanticists that thought the Highland culture was nice (well, once they kicked all the peasants off their land so they could enjoy the bleak and rugged scenery). 99% of people in Scotland would tell you they were British.

But with the collapse of the Empire this British identity is falling apart. To be replaced by 'civic' nationalists in Scotland and Wales, while Norn Iron has its own issues. Not only are they liberals, they also lean far to the left, and their idea of independence seems to be making their respective 'nations' into EU protectorates.

Bah!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yes, I do. The UK consists of at least four different major cultures: the english, the welsh, the scots and the irish. And then there's a number of colonial cultures incorporated into the kingdom/empire.

And it has worked brilliantly, and propelled the british into a position as the worlds mowt powerful empire for a few centuries. While the French ruled by the motto of one culture, that the colonies should strive towards becomming French, the Brits did the opposite and encouraged the colonies to maintain and develop their own culture. And as history has shown, this was the best way yo do it, as the Brits surpassed the French.


Britain is the shining example of how powerful a multicultural state is compared to a monocultural state.

But tthen the brits started copying the errors the rest of europe did and renounced the multiculture that made them strong, and lo and behold, they lost their position as number one to another state that has embraced multiculturalism, the USA.

Britain has never been multi-cultural, your Imperial pipe-dream is just that. the reality is that British Civil Servants were put in place to oversee the "civilising" of the natives, this is why politicians in South Africa and India wear suits and speak English as, at the least, a second language. The difference between Briain and France was that the British were willing to bide their time and allow superior British technology and a better way of living do the civilising for them.

Go to India and ask "what have the British done for us" and you'll get a rehash of the Monty Python sketch.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I would just like to correct myself after talking to Miotas who pointed out that Australia's history is conducive to multiculturalism. I was unaware of the large part of australian identity that came from past immigrants (that were not from the UK).

So make that Australia and the United States. I am sure someone else will PM me informing me of some other country's history I am ignorant about. Please do.

[Furunculus]

More nonsense from a conservative. I'm not surprised.

Does this mean he will disband the union and renounce his rule over Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland?

or in reality, it is a damned good idea that should have been implemented decades ago.

a healthy and vibrant nation thrives or dies by the its sense of family and that necessitates a certain degree of shared and common values.

and excellent article by charles moore is here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...at-speech.html

Within Government – among ministers, Coalition partners, officials and agencies – there is an endless battle on this matter. It is a fight between those who think that the way to win is to empower nasty people to control even nastier ones, and those who believe that the best way to deal with extremism is to confront it and reward only those who reject it. It is an argument between those who think that only violence need concern us, and those who believe that it is from bad ideas that bad actions spring.

The former view, held by Charles Farr, the MI6 man who is now the head of the Government's Office of Security and Counter-Terrorism, is essentially the old imperialist one – do a deal with the bloodthirsty natives (the Mau-Mau, Makarios, the IRA are well-known examples) to buy a quiet life. The latter view believes that Britain cannot treat its own inhabitants colonially: we can only be a free nation if we live by common values, and we must exclude those who reject those values. Mr Cameron is in this latter camp; it is part of his idea that "we're all in this together".

The battle will be visible, on Wednesday, in the result of the counter-terrorism and security powers review. Control orders, to make life easier for Nick Clegg, will be done away with by name, but not in fact. The curfews so much attacked by the civil liberties lobby will be replaced by "compulsory overnight stays". It isn't easy to see the difference between the two.

The fight continues, also, in the current review of Prevent, the set of government programmes which seeks to tackle the social causes of Islamist radicalisation. Prevent has too often used partners and advisers who are themselves extremist. Such people exploit the status government has conferred on them to argue that there would be no trouble if only public policy addressed the "grievances" which Islamists feel – foreign policy, police surveillance, mixed bathing, whatever. The worst fault of Lady Warsi's speech was that it helped nurture Muslim grievance instead of prompting Muslim self-examination.

This refusal to confront bad ideas means, for example, that the public authorities have shied away from having a look at what is preached at university Islamic societies. The security services do not investigate and combat subversion, as they did in the Cold War. Yet we know, from cases like that of the "Underpants Bomber", that students are often recruited for extremism by contacts at their universities. It is a pity Lady Warsi said none of this to her university audience.

Similarly, the Government's independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, Lord Carlile, has been pointing out for years that Islamic charities in this country are often subverted (or even invented) for extreme political purposes, but no one knows how to investigate them. Again, as free schools extend their scope, more Muslim schools, like Church or Jewish ones, will wish to set up. As I have discovered from the research done by Policy Exchange, the think tank that I chair, few in authority know enough about the backgrounds of the people involved. A unit for "due diligence" is needed, so that power and public money do not go to fanatics and scoundrels.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Does this mean he will disband the union and renounce his rule over Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland?

Britain is one nation one culture one people!

Scottish/Irish/Welsh nationalists are mostly just communists.

[Fragony]

For teh lefties, what we have here is pubicly admitting that multiculteralism was always ideoligy, Middle class now sees change they don't believe in all that much

[a completely inoffensive name]

Personally I don't see what is wrong with the different European countries trying to maintain their culture. Multiculturalism is good for a nation that never really had a solid "type" of culture in the first place.

I don't want to sound pompous here, but the US is really the only country that really should be following a policy of "multicultural" we are a country of immigrants from all type. Europeans have their origins and their history, it should be preserved and flourish.

But knowing the extreme right, if they had the opportunity they would go the exact opposite and persecute and segregate those of different cultures. Europe just needs to have cultural qualifications for people to become a citizen. Learn the language, know the history, obey and adhere to western law, etc...

[Fragony]

Personally I don't see what is wrong with the different European countries trying to maintain their culture. Multiculturalism is good for a nation that never really had a solid "type" of culture in the first place.

I don't want to sound pompous here, but the US is really the only country that really should be following a policy of "multicultural" we are a country of immigrants from all type. Europeans have their origins and their history, it should be preserved and flourish.

But knowing the extreme right, if they had the opportunity they would go the exact opposite and persecute and segregate those of different cultures. Europe just needs to have cultural qualifications for people to become a citizen. Learn the language, know the history, obey and adhere to western law, etc...

The extreme right has as much power as a lame dick. The extreme left on the other hand