Gay Parenting

[ajaxfetish]

I am saying a woman's influence is crucial to a child's upbrining. You are saying a woman, once having passed the baby through her vagina and into the world, can be tossed aside. She's simply not needed anymore.

Well, in the case of adoption, that woman whose vagina was passed through is already out of the picture. She has to be replaced. It's just a question of who should replace her.

And yet you still say children don't need mothers. Very odd. . . . Not if one of the sexes is absent from the parental process.

For all the talk about disrespecting mothers and how offended they would feel, I wonder how a single dad would interpret comments like these. I guess he just might as well give up already, since he can't give his kids what they need anyway.

Of course I have problems understanding women. Find me a man who doesn't. I've got a wife and two daughters, I could write a Ph.D. dissertation on what I don't understand about women.

One day the wife and kids left early. I woke up later, went downstairs, made my cereal, and sat at the table. Then I noticed that in the middle of the table was a giant-sized box of Kotex. So, I sat there with my Cheerios, munching away, and me and the box of feminine napkins had a quiet thoughtful breakfast together.

Mysterious secrets of women? Buddy, you have no idea.

*psst* *They're for soaking up/holding in their blood during menstruation. Just thought you should know*

But you are in the wrong ball field if you think the innefable qualities of what makes a woman a woman and what makes a man a man can be put on paper

This is the second time you've avoided describing the characteristics that make women unique by calling it ineffable. If you want to treat womankind as a religious mystery, that's all well and good, but in a country with separation of church and state such views shouldn't determine policy in state-administered adoption programs.

Ajax

[Beirut]

Well, in the case of adoption, that woman whose vagina was passed through is already out of the picture. She has to be replaced. It's just a question of who should replace her.

Another woman.

For all the talk about disrespecting mothers and how offended they would feel, I wonder how a single dad would interpret comments like these. I guess he just might as well give up already, since he can't give his kids what they need anyway.

A single mom\dad doing all they can for their kids does not negate the fact that the kids would be better off with both a mother and father.

*psst* *They're for soaking up/holding in their blood during menstruation. Just thought you should know*

I know what they are for, I just never thought I would be having breakfast with them. Such are the surprises of life with women.

This is the second time you've avoided describing the characteristics that make women unique by calling it ineffable. If you want to treat womankind as a religious mystery, that's all well and good, but in a country with separation of church and state such views shouldn't determine policy in state-administered adoption programs.

Oh, well then please, let us have the state describe the philosophical and existential qualities of womankind for us. I look forward to reading that gem of a report.

Some people here seem to be of the opinion that a woman can be defined in totality thusly: "A man with a vagina. No other differences noted." I wonder if the government report would share that soaring and eloquent syntax and grammar.

[ajaxfetish]

I know what they are for, I just never thought I would be having breakfast with them. Such are the surprises of life with women.

Guess I'm just not seeing the mystery of household items being left on the dinner table. Would a box of toothpaste have been equally weird for you?

Some people here seem to be of the opinion that a woman can be defined in totality thusly: "A man with a vagina. No other differences noted." I wonder if the government report would share that soaring and eloquent syntax and grammar.

Tons of differences. Muscle mass, center of gravity, hormone balance, water content, etc., etc. Lots of differences in averages, for height, weight, and so on. The question is, what are the differences that are relevant to children's development. That part seems to be ineffable, and so not really relevant for a secular situation.

Ajax

[Beirut]

Guess I'm just not seeing the mystery of household items being left on the dinner table. Would a box of toothpaste have been equally weird for you?

Are we on Vulcan?

Tons of differences. Muscle mass, center of gravity, hormone balance, water content, etc., etc. Lots of differences in averages, for height, weight, and so on. The question is, what are the differences that are relevant to children's development. That part seems to be ineffable, and so not really relevant for a secular situation.

Ineffabitily is not limited to deities.

As to the differences and how they relate to a child's development; the female is a mother and the male is a father. Mothers are not irrelevant. Mothers are crucial because they are mothers. Fathers are not irrelevant. Fathers are crucial because they are fathers. And this ongoing and overtly hostile quest to delegitimize either or both in the name of some new age version of a progressive society is political correctness taken to the most absurd level and contrary to the most basic tenets of humanity. Are we truly at a stage in our evolution where, if we cannot present the value of a human being on a flow chart or a page of statistics, that human value is then considered irrelevant and not only to be ignored, but attacked? Ouch. Take that logic far enough and the family itself could be disolved and our children raised in government camps because the "Holy Trinity" of science, statistics, and ice cold logic would back the idea 100%.

I suspect this obsession to neuter society (at the cost of children, mothers, and fathers) for the sake of some perceived benefit of "equality" is - thank God - a transient minority view that will go the way of the Macarena and the pet rock. I look forward to its demise and will celebrate its fall with great gladness.

[ajaxfetish]

As to the differences and how they relate to a child's development; the female is a mother and the male is a father. Mothers are not irrelevant. Mothers are crucial because they are mothers. Fathers are not irrelevant. Fathers are crucial because they are fathers.

It'd just be a lot more convincing if you could summon even a single bit of support for this claim instead of just making it over and over.

Ajax

[a completely inoffensive name]

YAAAAAY! The most absurd thread in the history of the backroom has come to fruition.

[Strike For The South]

Are tampons really this much of a mystery?

Is that why there are all of this terrible jokes about going to buy them?

Is this why gay people can't adopt? A sufficent amount of the household has to be uncomfortable around feminine products?

[Beirut]

It'd just be a lot more convincing if you could summon even a single bit of support for this claim instead of just making it over and over.

Ajax

I really believe all of this has descended into the most twisted of Monty Pythonesque unrealities.

I deeply apologize for not having a flow chart to show the importance of a father to a child. And I am sad that I lack a thick book of statistics to prove the crucial nature of a mother to a child. And I am grieved beyond words that I lack a Powerpoint presentation to demonstrate the very human goodness of a child having both a mother and a father in its life.

But then again, what makes me sad most of all, is that anyone would actually need those things.

[ajaxfetish]

I deeply apologize for not having a flow chart to show the importance of a father to a child. And I am sad that I lack a thick book of statistics to prove the crucial nature of a mother to a child. And I am grieved beyond words that I lack a Powerpoint presentation to demonstrate the very human goodness of a child having both a mother and a father in its life.

But then again, what makes me sad most of all, is that anyone would actually need those things.

And that I can readily accept.

Ajax

[Fragony]

It'd just be a lot more convincing if you could summon even a single bit of support for this claim instead of just making it over and over.

Ajax

The long lost art of intuition, science be damned. If it doesn't feel right something must be wrong. And you all know he's right

Question, singles can be excellent parents. Would you prefer a single parent over a gay couple or vica versa

[PanzerJaeger]

Ridiculous show, very heartening results...