Gay Parenting

**Askthepizzaguy** · 02-18-2011, 11:06

You know, I do believe I've heard of instances where kids who have adoptive parents (straight ones) get bullied because they were adopted. I guess no one should be allowed to adopt. It's clearly worse for the children than being an orphan their whole lives.

**Fragony** · 02-18-2011, 11:15

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You know, I do believe I've heard of instances where kids who have adoptive parents (straight ones) get bullied because they were adopted. I guess no one should be allowed to adopt. It's clearly worse for the children than being an orphan their whole lives.

Better than nothing, but a heterosexual is still to be prefered. I'm not against gays raising kids itself. These things need time. Just like mixed couples, it isn't odd to us anymore. You are walking too fast.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 02-18-2011, 11:16

Originally Posted by Fragony

Better than nothing, but a heterosexual is still to be prefered. I'm not against gays raising kids itself. These things need time. Just like mixed couples, it isn't odd to us anymore. You are walking too fast.

It was odd to us when it was made legal. And people were harassed for it, and still are to some extent. It was still the right move.

Like I said, I can't wait while some drag their feet. If it's the right thing to do, it needs to be done.

You're walking too slowly.

**Fragony** · 02-18-2011, 11:27

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

It was odd to us when it was made legal. And people were harassed for it, and still are to some extent. It was still the right move.

Like I said, I can't wait while some drag their feet. If it's the right thing to do, it needs to be done.

You're walking too slowly.

It isn't about me and what I think, I actually agree with you lot. But how it should be and what just isn't is not up to me, for now just do what is best. I think it's selfish not to.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 02-18-2011, 12:30

Originally Posted by Fragony

It isn't about me and what I think, I actually agree with you lot. But how it should be and what just isn't is not up to me, for now just do what is best. I think it's selfish not to.

It's your way of approaching things. I don't begrudge you for it. But I feel there will be less pain on children today if they are adopted, and less pain for children raised by gay parents now and in the future, if it becomes more commonplace sooner rather than later.

I am not willing to let the fate of these children to be decided by people who do not want what is best for the children, and merely hate gays.

The children want a family, the adoptive parents want a child. What's holding it back are the sentiments of those who hate, and those who might genuinely think they're looking out for the kids by denying gay couples the right to adopt.

Me, I appreciate your good motivations, but I disagree with your decision to wait, I don't actually think it's better for the kids, and I believe the data backs me up on that. I would in fact be more willing to wait if I saw credible data that said children are miserable under gay parents, didn't want to be adopted by them in the first place, or something similar, in spite of my idealism. I am also as pragmatic as you are when push comes to shove, but I don't feel the data supports compromising our principles here.

Right now, the only thing standing between children and a hopeful future is fear that treating gay couples the same will turn out for the worst. I don't see that happening, and I don't give in to such fear when I think it's totally unwarranted.

**Fragony** · 02-18-2011, 12:47

I'm not that easily offended don't worry about begrudging me. If a kid gets a loving home all is good, and since I'm against abortion I would make a total fool of myself to deny gays from parenting. I agree with Beirut but for different reasons (although the gut says he's right, but I don't and can't know).

**Askthepizzaguy** · 02-18-2011, 12:56

Originally Posted by Fragony

I'm not that easily offended don't worry about begrudging me. If a kid gets a loving home all is good, and since I'm against abortion I would make a total fool of myself to deny gays from parenting. I agree with Beirut but for different reasons (although the gut says he's right, but I don't and can't know).

But I begrudge you for STILL having more posts than me, you evil, evil.... [much harsh language deleted]

I will get you eventually, but man you make it difficult.