Gay Parenting

[HoreTore]

Yeah, I feel I can blame all my shortcomings on my parents divorce.

/sarcasm

[Beirut]

My brother is gay. I grew up thinking homosexuals were just one more variety of people to know. No big deal at all.

That said, I don't think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children if conventional couples are available. The right of the child to a "normal" (mother and father) upbringing outweigh the desires the gay couple to raise a child.

[a completely inoffensive name]

My brother is gay. I grew up thinking homosexuals were just one more variety of people to know. No big deal at all.

That said, I don't think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children if conventional couples are available. The right of the child to a "normal" (mother and father) upbringing outweigh the desires the gay couple to raise a child.

You think your brother is inherently a worse parent then any straight parent?

[Beirut]

You think your brother is inherently a worse parent then any straight parent?

No.

But my brother isn't the issue. The child is the issue. And a child has a right to a mother and a father.

[a completely inoffensive name]

No.

But my brother isn't the issue. The child is the issue. And a child has a right to a mother and a father.

I hate this phrase because it was over used in middle school when some counselor came in and said it 9,001 times but, "Every child has a right to be loved." I don't see that that "Every child has a right to be loved by a mother and father and if none are available then by a same sex couple."

A child has a right to be taken care of. Could you please explain the reasoning behind why there is a right to have heterosexual couple parents above homosexual ones?

[Beskar]

A child has a right to be taken care of. Could you please explain the reasoning behind why there is a right to have heterosexual couple parents above homosexual ones?

There isn't any. Whole mother-father thing is overrated,

[Major Robert Dump]

The guy speaking to his lawmakers whould have done background checks on each one to see how many of them were serial divorcees, and then called them on it.

[Beirut]

I hate this phrase because it was over used in middle school when some counselor came in and said it 9,001 times but, "Every child has a right to be loved." I don't see that that "Every child has a right to be loved by a mother and father and if none are available then by a same sex couple."

A child has a right to be taken care of. Could you please explain the reasoning behind why there is a right to have heterosexual couple parents above homosexual ones?

Having a mother and father is the natural way of things. It gives the child a more natural way of being brought up and intergrating with society. And as the child is the most important person in this equation, the prospective parent's rights are secondary at best.

Giving rights to gay people is well and fine. But using babies as a tool with which to grant those rights to adults seems a bit off to me.

[Fragony]

Having a mother and father is the natural way of things. It gives the child a more natural way of being brought up and intergrating with society. And as the child is the most important person in this equation, the prospective parent's rights are secondary at best.

Giving rights to gay people is well and fine. But using babies as a tool with which to grant those rights to adults seems a bit off to me.

In all fairness I do suspect a little activism here and there, that they furiously demand everybody recognises something what nature simply can't provide them. If so the baby is indeed a tool used for very selfish reasons, making a point out of being a gay parent with said kid as fancy juwelry. I'm not sure about that and I'm aware of my own prejudgis , I have them to be honest. But denying it to gays or picking heterosexual couples over them, I dunno. A barren-wombed couple might do it for the the same wrong reasons as well, to pretend to be normal

[Louis VI the Fat]

Having a mother and father is the natural way of things. It gives the child a more natural way of being brought up and intergrating with society. And as the child is the most important person in this equation, the prospective parent's rights are secondary at best.

Giving rights to gay people is well and fine. But using babies as a tool with which to grant those rights to adults seems a bit off to me.

In a biological sense, you will find that the children of gay parents tend to have a mother and father too. Medicine has not adcanced beyond that.


As for parents in the sense of adult raisings children. The natural way of things is to raise children in an extended family. A nuclear family of father, mother, and two children is decidely unnatural, it is recent and geographically limited. Two gay parents is scarcely less unnatural than just two parents, or even one.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Having a mother and father is the natural way of things. It gives the child a more natural way of being brought up and intergrating with society. And as the child is the most important person in this equation, the prospective parent's rights are secondary at best.

Giving rights to gay people is well and fine. But using babies as a tool with which to grant those rights to adults seems a bit off to me.

Your argument makes no sense. The world humans have been living in have been growing more and more artificial, disconnected from nature. We no longer live among the trees or in caves. According to you, we are all slightly messed up because we have not been brought up in a more natural way. When did our common ancestors go to school? Or work in an office for 40+ years? Saying that it is more "natural" is a terrible argument. It's no less natural than a single parent, or no parents (those that live entire first 18 years under state), and there are plenty of fully functional humans that come from those conditions.

No, what is going on is the other way. You are using babies as a tool to deny rights to gays. Your argument can be summarized as "think of the children, it isn't 'natural'".

[Megas Methuselah]

And a child has a right to a mother and a father.

Really? Since when? You should have told that to my dad. Haven't seen the bastard in a decade.

[Fragony]

Really? Since when? You should have told that to my dad. Haven't seen the bastard in a decade.

Look at the bright side, you wouldn't be the real thing if you did. It's the native-american experience it seems, Sorry to hear it though, counting my blessings even if mine died pretty horribly, cancer sucks

[rory_20_uk]

Really? Since when? You should have told that to my dad. Haven't seen the bastard in a decade.

If my seperated wife has her way, neither will I. Obligations? In stone. Rights? For negotiation.

[Samurai Waki]

Human beings are fundamentally flawed, I make mistakes, my wife makes mistakes. When one of our girls ask us a question we don't always know the right answer, so in lieu of that we attempt to give the best answer; it may not be perfect but then again, we're not perfect people. I don't know anyone who is, straight, gay, or otherwise.

However I trust in the bond I have with my family, I have too, because I would probably go crazy if I tried to make a guess out how our daughters are going to turn out when they become adults. We support and nurture them, we love them with every fiber of our being, we would throw ourselves to the lions if it meant our daughters future was assured. But it's not, nothing is, so we have to have faith in them while trying to lead by example.

The strength of one's character is more important than their sexuality, will those children be loved and nurtured? That's important. There's a lot of children out there that need that, I don't think they'd care whether it was from a man and a woman, two men, or two women. It's really painting a lot of people with a very broad brush.

What would your answer be if I said two White people can raise a child better than two Asians? See where I'm getting with this?

[Furunculus]

Yeah, I feel I can blame all my shortcomings on my parents divorce.

/sarcasm

while that's lovely, and I am delighted you turned into such a well adjusted* young man, your triumph as a single statistic does nothing to dispute the proven fact that kids with two 'loving' parents have better outcomes relative to kids with only one full-time parent.


*rofl

[rory_20_uk]

Sexual orientation is far less important than many other factors in who makes a good parent / good outcomes for the children.

[Furunculus]

Sexual orientation is far less important than many other factors in who makes a good parent / good outcomes for the children.

agreed, nothing i said above could be said to dispute that.

[HoreTore]

while that's lovely, and I am delighted you turned into such a well adjusted* young man, your triumph as a single statistic does nothing to dispute the proven fact that kids with two 'loving' parents have better outcomes relative to kids with only one full-time parent.


*rofl

The majority of kids these days will be kids coming from divorced families.

I seriously doubt that civilizaton will collapse.


Moving was a much bigger issue for me than my parents divorce. Should we stop people from moving if thwy have kids well adjusted to their home enviroment?

[Furunculus]

The majority of kids these days will be kids coming from divorced families. I seriously doubt that civilizaton will collapse.


Moving was a much bigger issue for me than my parents divorce. Should we stop people from moving if thwy have kids well adjusted to their home enviroment?

again you pick an individual example, yourself, and promote it as a refutation of a broader statistical trend that has been observed and evidenced. that's just wrong d00d.

no, because that is exactly the kind of nannying government we don't want, whereas the point about child-outcomes from single vs dual parents results from the fact that in Britain we have a benefits system that actively penalises parents for staying together. government interference in personal life should always be kept to an absolute minimum, even if it causes a social good, but it should be treated with scathing contempt if it manages to produce a worse outcome for society.

[Fragony]

The majority of kids these days will be kids coming from divorced families.

I seriously doubt that civilizaton will collapse.

Because civilisation is insensistive by nature, what about the fathers who are actually denied seeing their children, by the same lot that has a mutual orgasm over gay parenting. Feminism.

[HoreTore]

I think I was 9 or 10 the first time I had sexual education...can't really remember.

Sex-ed for a five year old? I have no problems with that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd like to point out that gay people often have children naturally through ordinary biological processes, either through surrogates, or through the availability of sperm/egg donors. Many of them have children in the non-homosexual marriages society pressures them into.

You know what's really odd? There's zero outcry over these people raising their own children.

Gee, maybe they are fit parents who love their children, and all this unwarranted fear over teh gay should finally go away.

[ajaxfetish]

My cousins seem to be doing okay. They're still school-age, but I'd be surprised if they turn out any less well-adjusted than they would have with heterosexual parents. It probably helps that they're growing up in Berkeley. I suspect the biggest problem children of gay parents are likely to face is prejudice from outside the family, rather than inadequate parenting within.

Ajax

[Megas Methuselah]

Because civilisation is insensistive by nature, what about the fathers who are actually denied seeing their children, by the same lot that has a mutual orgasm over gay parenting. Feminism.

Yeah, but women are hot.

Having a mother and father is the natural way of things. It gives the child a more natural way of being brought up and intergrating with society. And as the child is the most important person in this equation, the prospective parent's rights are secondary at best.

Yeah, I'll just take your word for it then, right?

[Centurion1]

well rhy thats pretty ****** up. And i completely disagree to everything you just said. i dont think thats weird. i find it pretty pathetic you do.

[Rhyfelwyr]

well rhy thats pretty ****** up. And i completely disagree to everything you just said. i dont think thats weird. i find it pretty pathetic you do.

I find it pathetic that you feel the need to find what I said to be pathetic.

[Beirut]

Yeah, I'll just take your word for it then, right?

You may do as you see fit.

[SwordsMaster]

You're right, parenting IS gay!