Gay Parenting

**Shibumi** · 05-27-2011, 02:56

Wow, we can not just make one post, can we?

I will summarize.

1. This debate did not start with ME saying Sweden is great - it started with you saying:

It shows that Americans are always more open, friendly, and moral than most everybody else. Yes, moral. It is the European who forever fails to understand that the American struggles to live life right, to do good, to do what is right. Unlike the European. Whose morality is mostly a thin veneer, a social necessity, kept up out of fear for being caught, which is never far away from being cast away when opportunity presents itself.

Just like in the God debate, the responsibility of facts on the table is on your side.

2. You then went on to show statistics of Sweden (horrid one I might add). However, you completely forgot that you can not compare two countries without having the same data for both. Kind of on an intellectual level of:
Shibumi: My apple is better than yours from what I can tell from the apple handbook.
Louis: No my apple is better - see - here I have a report showing your apple has flaws.
Shibumi: Can I see a report on your apple?
Louis: Uhm.. no..
Shibumi: ...
louis: WIN!

Quite obviously, I do not applaud your logic here.

3. Ajaxfetish for some reason thought I had made the initial claim that Sweden was the best. But no, as should be rather evident I have just argued against your initial post - go back to "1" to see it again. I have not said Sweden is perfect, nor do I think it is. I do think it is a lot of better when it comes to this though.

4. Your, as you put it, "influential" report showed that a gay couple could walk hand in hand for a year without being harassed. Cred to Sweden! Did it show it was all perfect - nope. But you can not use that report to say Sweden is worse than the US, when in fact Sweden is a front runner in gay rights. Granted, we have lots left to do - but with that said we should take some pride in having done a better job than most, not to say anyone else.

You claim that you show the facts - then go on. Make a comparative analysis between the data of Sweden and the US when it comes to homosexuality. So far you have only made an ill advised claim of USA being

more open, friendly, and moral than most everybody else

.

When I countered it saying it is probably better here - you went on some huge rant - bashing Sweden without showing equal data for the states.

Beginning your last post with saying you have little doubt Sweden in general is more tolerant? So what exactly are you fighting at here, Don Quijote?

**PanzerJaeger** · 05-27-2011, 04:17

Originally Posted by Shibumi

1. This debate did not start with ME saying Sweden is great - it started with you saying:

Actually, it started with post #395.

**Fragony** · 05-27-2011, 06:04

It are islamic immigrants that make life hell for Swedish gays, the Swedish themselves are very nice people, hate just isn't in their way they are too nice for that; the avarage native Swede has zero problem with homosexuals. Sweden is a classical victim of the assumption that all cultures are equal, but even in Sweden people are starting to recognise the ldiocy of multiculturalism despite the propaganda they are fed 24/7