Is this forum...

**Subotan** · 02-07-2011, 01:39

If I had wanted to, I could have made this incredibly dramatic, yet I chose not to since I knew that that tired old excuse would have been easier to use to dodge the criticisms of the current set-up. These are also not concerns that exist solely because of the lock of ACIN's thread, but problems which have existed for a very long time and that I and others have been aware of for a substantial amount of that. It is not something that should be brushed under the rug by sticking it in the morgue of the one post a day Watchtower.

EDIT: Ah crap, you decided to ignore the concerns that the lack of traffic would mean that this and the problems it discusses would get ignored if stuffed into the Watchtower. How expected.

**Togakure** · 02-07-2011, 01:43

This has always been the designated place for discussions about the Org and how it is or should be. Yes, you should have expected it. Threads of this nature that appear in the Front Room will be moved here.

**Subotan** · 02-07-2011, 01:46

So it's the rule because it's the rule? What possible negative consequences could arise from posting it in the Frontroom? Clutter surely is not a problem, given that apart from the "How do I get to have sex with X girl" threads the frontroom is practically comatose.

**pevergreen** · 02-07-2011, 01:50

Originally Posted by Subotan

So it's the rule because it's the rule? What possible negative consequences could arise from posting it in the Frontroom? Clutter surely is not a problem, given that apart from the "How do I get to have sex with X girl" threads the frontroom is practically comatose.

ACIN is attempting to change that, and thats great. But conversation can only spring from threads that are created.

Might edit this later with some stuff to respond to your OP, for now off to class.

**Togakure** · 02-07-2011, 01:53

You seem intelligent enough to figure out the answers to those questions yourself, Subotan.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 02-07-2011, 02:00

I think its just human nature to think there are 'cliques' everywhere, when you talk about the Gentleman's Club etc. But who is a part of it and who isn't?

In a way Subotan you have your own little ingroup from the days of the EB Tavern. There's yourself, then Meth, ACIN, Miotas, and others that are now gone like AVSM and AP.

Little groups of posters that interact more with each other always crop up. In the past I used to spar a lot with PVC. I also always seemed to find myself in discussions with Kadagar when he was here, and more recently Gaelic Cowboy.

Plus there are other groups. pevergreen and Beefy and some others for example, which I believe know each other in real life.

So... I don't think the .org is so much elitist, its more the case that it has lots of different little groups. I think you maybe feel it is elitist because one of these groups is more connected/overlapping with the mods, and is probably also the oldest group. But as I said earlier its not clear who's in and who isn't. Louis, SFTS, Lemur etc would go in this group, but for others its less clear. Most of the Senior members I guess.

But I don't think its a problem.

**pevergreen** · 02-07-2011, 04:09

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Plus there are other groups. pevergreen and Beefy and some others for example, which I believe know each other in real life.

Yeah, I introduced Beefy and some others to the org. IRL friends.

Subotan: About being ignored in the backroom. I feel the same way. Thats half the reason I don't post or read there anymore. As to why I was not being responded to, I think its more likely that what I was saying was stupid, not because i was new. (not saying thats how it was for you)

As for groups forming around in-jokes.

GAH? Thats just Vanya and his legacy. He posted yesterday in the S2TW area.
Camels? A fun joke that has let me know a few people a little better. The only time when it was anything more than a reference to a great mod (Camel: Total War IIRC) was when Andres/Caius and some others began the great war against it. All for fun and it was mainly gameroom/entrance hall.

Humans form groups. The forum is going downhill, anyone who doesn't see and admit that is a bit silly.

Elitism: possibly. I dont think there is any. I've seen plenty of cases where just because someone was new did not mean what they said or did was less valuable.

Look back to when ATPG joined for example. (I dont know where I'm going with this) All he did was the M2TW blitz games. They were great to read though. From there, he went to the Throne Room. He was new, as was I to that area, but we were both accepted because we contributed.

re ACIN's thread. You obviously don't think there was anything wrong with what he did, I don't really care. I fell for it like a sucker, and if someone did that IRL a lot of people would be annoyed. But here, its just ACIN. That attitude is elitism, so should that change as well?

**Strike For The South** · 02-07-2011, 05:17

I try to welcome everyone with open arms, unless I think they are a troll or a sock

That narrows it down to 5 guys

I'm only half joking

**Motep** · 02-07-2011, 05:24

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I try to welcome everyone with open arms, unless I think they are a troll or a sock

That narrows it down to 5 guys

I'm only half joking

I wish that that half was not there...

*sigh

**Veho Nex** · 02-08-2011, 18:07

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I try to welcome everyone with open arms, unless I think they are a troll or a sock

That narrows it down to 5 guys

I'm only half joking

Quick! which one am I? Can I be my own category? Like, Socking Troll, orrrr, That Trolling Sock, How about "Foot Warmer who just happens to live under a bridge".