Gender Roles: Even More Spin-Off

[Ironside]

For the exceptions they can do their own thing, however you raise children expecting them to be a certain way so you go with the way biology has most likely intended.

Encuragement for more manly tears and more non sexual nakedness then? Or are you going to argue that it's not what biology has intended?

Besides, isn't it something off if you're required to raise them to thier "natural ways" and not simply something they'll discover by themself? Not counting that this "natural way" seems to vary even inside countries.

Sure, a child needs to understand gender roles, because they're a part of society and the actual gender differences are sometimes enough to give a basis for the difference. But that doesn't mean that they should always be adhered, in particular since most differences are due to stigmatic maintaince of gender roles and not the gender difference.

Rhyfelwyr, who did interpret guys being pickier about their choise of girls= sexually repressed? PJ is mostly poking on the still mumbling carcass that the girl should be a virgin, while the guy should have plenty of sexual experience before marriage.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Au contraire. If the parents' attitude toward their child's activities is gender neutral, it is precisely then that the child's biological nature can identify their interests, instead of being suppressed by the parents' preferences. Parents not pushing for socially created gender roles allows for more natural development, not less.

Ajax

No, parents can't just be passive like that, whatever they are doing they are actively encouraging it. Parents are picking toys for their kids before they are old enough to ask for them. Gender neutralness is encouraged just the same way as male/female roles are.

Sure, a child needs to understand gender roles, because they're a part of society and the actual gender differences are sometimes enough to give a basis for the difference.

That's all I ever said.

Rhyfelwyr, who did interpret guys being pickier about their choise of girls= sexually repressed? PJ is mostly poking on the still mumbling carcass that the girl should be a virgin, while the guy should have plenty of sexual experience before marriage.

If it had just said the guys were not having pre-marital sex I would have said great. It's the combination of things that makes it sound so unhealthy. They should still want to be having sex.

[ajaxfetish]

If it had just said the guys were not having pre-marital sex I would have said great. It's the combination of things that makes it sound so unhealthy. They should still want to be having sex.

Wherever did you get the idea that they don't?

Ajax

[Strike For The South]

Girls should want sex to.....

You realize a womans sex drive is just as strong as a mans.....

Talk about freaking antiquated notions of gender roles

[Rhyfelwyr]

Wherever did you get the idea that they don't?

Ajax

Because as I said the combination of things looks seriously unhealthy. Plus why wouldn't they just have sex if they wanted to if they didn't have 'traditional' values?

Girls should want sex to.....

You realize a womans sex drive is just as strong as a mans.....

Talk about freaking antiquated notions of gender roles

Not so much antiquated as realistic and taking into account biological and social factors as most respected figures do in the field these days. And were did I even say anything about the female sex drive. Please, show me...

But don't let me stop the leftist moral outrage, fuelled as ever by strawmen and projectionism...

[Centurion1]

trust me women want sex as much if not more than dudes. they just want it to be good not a five minute cringe fest.

[ajaxfetish]

Because as I said the combination of things looks seriously unhealthy. Plus why wouldn't they just have sex if they wanted to if they didn't have 'traditional' values?

'Traditional' values are the only values that might put restraint on a man's sexuality? You're welcome to your opinion, Rhy, but I have to say the combination of things looks seriously healthy to me.

Ajax

[Rhyfelwyr]

Not really. Your multiple mentioning of gender roles as being natural/biological is implying that you consider the current roles to fall into being close to natural/biological. That is demonstratly false on several categories.

Name those categories.

Indeed, if they won't then it would show severe impact on their psychological well-being and social adjustment.

But look how well I turned out! Making girl threads on a gaming forum at 21!

'Traditional' values are the only values that might put restraint on a man's sexuality? You're welcome to your opinion, Rhy, but I have to say the combination of things looks seriously healthy to me.

Ajax

What other values would those be?

[Ironside]

That's all I ever said.

Not really. Your multiple mentioning of gender roles as being natural/biological is implying that you consider the current roles to fall into being close to natural/biological. That is demonstratly false on several categories. And enforcing the gender roles also has the problem that all categories overlap, and quite a bit on that.

If it had just said the guys were not having pre-marital sex I would have said great. It's the combination of things that makes it sound so unhealthy. They should still want to be having sex.

Indeed, if they won't then it would show severe impact on their psychological well-being and social adjustment. And what did the study show on those issues?