Demo out on 22 February 2011

**Revolting Friendship** · 02-23-2011, 13:39

Yeah, battles are faster than lightspeed, yari ashigaru does indeed pull out their swords for melee and the horses are rediculously huge.

Slow down the battles, de-emphasise this retarded rock, paper, siccors-gameplay, let the yari ashigaru fight with their spears and make the horses smaller and I'll be very happy about this game.

As for the rest; the music, the graphical quality in both campaign and battles, the style and atmosphere, the campaign layout; all very very well done. A big step ahead from what I can see, and while the CAI seemed a bit passive, it didn't perform badly and I suspect it was also limited by the confines of the demo campaign.

**Kagemusha** · 02-23-2011, 14:00

Originally Posted by Revolting Friendship

Yeah, battles are faster than lightspeed, yari ashigaru does indeed pull out their swords for melee and the horses are rediculously huge.

Slow down the battles, de-emphasise this retarded rock, paper, siccors-gameplay, let the yari ashigaru fight with their spears and make the horses smaller and I'll be very happy about this game.

As for the rest; the music, the graphical quality in both campaign and battles, the style and atmosphere, the campaign layout; all very very well done. A big step ahead from what I can see, and while the CAI seemed a bit passive, it didn't perform badly and I suspect it was also limited by the confines of the demo campaign.

So maybe there is need for little tweaking old friend?

**antisocialmunky** · 02-23-2011, 14:48

Yeah, the kill rates are a little ridiculous. I fear it may not be feasible to change it so late in the game. Don't know how this will effect the AI or the tech tree so I think we're going to have to live with it. Likewise, the tech tree may do a bit to help the combat situation. Also, I think you had much better troops to win the first tutorial battle so that probably skews the experience.

Also, I think the unit sizes are on large instead of ultra by default so I question whether or not it will slow down once units get bigger and you go for deeper formations. I also think that the Katana samurai need to be harder to recruit. That's one of the things about the old STW. You mostly had spear vs spear with the odd No Dachi or to carve them up so the RPS wasn't so obvious.

I think it is okay. I've had samurai units hold on for quite a long time in the castle siege. The ashigaru routed in about 3 minutes after being mobbed by a horde or archers, and the katana samurai lasted a good 10 minutes or so.

**pevergreen** · 02-24-2011, 12:21

Originally Posted by Revolting Friendship

A big step ahead from what I can see, and while the CAI seemed a bit passive, it didn't perform badly and I suspect it was also limited by the confines of the demo campaign.

Playing the unlocked version of the demo, where the AI does what it wants, it made more sense. I declared on the logical first target (same as the tutorial) they tried to peace me with money, but i gobbled them up, but the green guys (Miyoshi?) declared when I went over the sea and they own nearly the whole of the tiny map now. Need to blitz that to get it even.

**The Blind King of Bohemia** · 02-24-2011, 13:57

Haven't had a chance to play the demo yet but I just need to know. Has the unit speeds really gone back to insanity of Rome? If this is the case I think I'll leave it.