Pyrrus, elephants, tower

**Cute Wolf** · 02-26-2011, 13:05

hmm, why not script a rather randomized chance (have arround 2.5% to pop up each turn) of "ELEPHANT SALE! DELIVERED DIRECTLY TO AMBRAKIA!" (click show me how to pay 40000 minai and watch those beasts pop up there)

well, that means adding some random event trigger to EBBS, having Epeiros control Ambrakia, and allied with either Seleucid or Baktria. Pop up via advicce

**Ludens** · 02-26-2011, 13:14

Mind the tone, please.

**Shadowwalker** · 02-26-2011, 13:47

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

hmm, why not script a rather randomized chance (have arround 2.5% to pop up each turn) of "ELEPHANT SALE! DELIVERED DIRECTLY TO AMBRAKIA!" (click show me how to pay 40000 minai and watch those beasts pop up there)

well, that means adding some random event trigger to EBBS, having Epeiros control Ambrakia, and allied with either Seleucid or Baktria. Pop up via advicce

Actually that is quite easily (sort of...) doable by "YES/NO"-events. The german Reconquista mod I mentioned a few times already had a random chance for Leon to get a few (very expensive) longbows via smugglers. An event card popped up, saying something like "Do you want to buy some longbows that were ... erm ... brought from England and train some of your men how to use these bows? YES/NO. " As soon as you agreed you "trained some longbowmen" (they spawned in the capital). And if you ever rejected one offer, you never got one again.

But I'm sure the EB team has found a nice solution already*, at least that's what I understand here:

In light of that, what we do in EB2 will be much different.

*Or has decided to deny Epeiros the elephants at all. Who knows?

**Cute Wolf** · 02-26-2011, 13:49

Originally Posted by Ludens

Mind the tone, please.

umm, sorry... I just emulate the Internet sale advertisements that use all caps and fill all the screen... sory for thse caps...

**Alrik** · 02-26-2011, 14:45

Heheh, this guy is hillarious ;)
Just because you can get roosters to screw a suitcase or pigs to hump a fake sows, doesn't mean it's a given, which you state, they can't, or at least have trouble doing even with all their fake gadgets.
I am stating that Pyrruss if he thought it necessary and worth the cost would give the elephants the space needed and as Africa has shown elephants do breed quite well. South Africa has gone from a population 8 k to 20 k in 13 years, just by banning ivory trade and protecting the polulation, though I'm fairly certain that it's easier to hunt the ivory than the poachers.

**abou** · 02-26-2011, 14:59

I'm hilarious? Seriously? You haven't come up with anything to pack up your statements other than ridiculous hypotheticals. You can't magically transport all the elephants you want and give them a proper diet out of nowhere and expect them just to breed and everything is going to be okay -- in Greece, no less. Everything -- everything -- we know about elephant husbandry says that it isn't going to happen. You have an animal that can eat 1-2% of it's bodyweight per day. Multiply that by the number in your herd and it immediately become untenable.

A wild population is different. I've stated that twice now. Not to mention you've removed the competition of poachers and you have a vast ecosystem into which they can expand. You have a base population of 8,000 elephants. That is different than a base population of a few hundred. Unless you come to the table with specific examples, you have nothing. You fail to understand that I have the null hypothesis.

My suggestion is that if you want to actually have this debate, go reading and then come back. I would start with this: Asian elephant : ecology and management by R. Sukumar.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 02-26-2011, 15:48

Just to add, even today with quite a bit of funding and added veterinarian expertise the domesticated elephant is dying out in Thailand, Laos etc. Apart from the reasons abou just mentioned, females are often too stressed out (domesticated elephants are used to haul heavy loads such as tree trunks) which basically renders them infertile or otherwise unfit to successfully see out the whole pregnancy. It doesn't help that they tend to be malnourished, though.