Impressions of the demo?

[edyzmedieval]

I was wondering what your opinion of the demo was. I particularly wasn't very impressed and just felt as if it was a reskinned NTW with slightly better AI.

Thoughts?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

nvm

[Drunk Clown]

Good enough to buy it. The price will drop to 25 euro's in no time here.

The pursueing of enemy units by cavalry went well; I didn't have to micro manage them (relieve).

My only real concern is the lack of different unit types, cos in Empire every faction had the same gunmen (yeah other colors but that don't count)
I'm not that bothered by the higher movement speed, it's just a thing to get used to.

Empire was boring.

[PanzerJaeger]

I was highly disappointed, particularly because I got the impression that this was going to be a sort of "back to basics" effort where the developers were really going to work on improving the battle engine. It was not, imho.

[edyzmedieval]

I was highly disappointed, particularly because I got the impression that this was going to be a sort of "back to basics" effort where the developers were really going to work on improving the battle engine. It was not, imho.

You echo my sentiments exactly.

It's the same old. TW needs a revolution. We've had evolutions, we need a whole new battle and campaign system.

[sugam]

You echo my sentiments exactly.

It's the same old. TW needs a revolution. We've had evolutions, we need a whole new battle and campaign system.

Then you are asking for a completely different game? I don't know what your are trying to or expect out of CA. Its engine has been rebuilt like 3 times from the ground up. The demo is like barely playable regrettably and almost everything is different in shogun 2 versus the original. The MP part is of the larger focus and its much needed.

Sorry, I am not trying to be overcritical here its just that I dont understand what you mean by "revolution".

[Myth]

You echo my sentiments exactly.

It's the same old. TW needs a revolution. We've had evolutions, we need a whole new battle and campaign system.

No it doesn't. Revolutions tend to be targeting the mass paying audience, in this case - 14 year olds with great computers and with a desire to play oversimplified crap. The TW series is very successful because of the system it has perfected over the years. If it ain't broke - don't fix it! Just make better looking and more realistic (AI wise, economics wise, logsitics wise etc.) versions of MTW and RTW and I'd be happy, and most of the other older fans as well. If you want revolutionary you have to look to the MMORPG scene as that's the new "hot" thing everyone's investing in. Games likre the TW series, Thief 2, HOMM3 etc. will remain classics and the best that can be done with them is for them to be remade and improved without the core concept changing.

[Swoosh So]

I was highly disappointed, particularly because I got the impression that this was going to be a sort of "back to basics" effort where the developers were really going to work on improving the battle engine. It was not, imho.

Nah thats just what the community wanted :) Who listens to that lot?

[pevergreen]

Nah thats just what the community wanted :) Who listens to that lot?

Hah!

So true.

We complain, they eventually fix, we complain more.

Deadly cycle.

[TosaInu]

Good enough to buy it. The price will drop to 25 euro's in no time here.

The pursueing of enemy units by cavalry went well; I didn't have to micro manage them (relieve).

My only real concern is the lack of different unit types, cos in Empire every faction had the same gunmen (yeah other colors but that don't count)
I'm not that bothered by the higher movement speed, it's just a thing to get used to.

Empire was boring.

There are more units than one would think at first. Check the encyclopedia. There are different units with different stats: Takeda has better cavalry for example.

[Monk]

I was wondering what your opinion of the demo was. I particularly wasn't very impressed and just felt as if it was a reskinned NTW with slightly better AI.

Thoughts?

The demo is what it is: a heavily shackled and scripted tour of the game. The battles move a bit too briskly and the lack of Anti-Aliasing is really annoying, but beyond that I'm not sure what you're talking about. Played with the Free-Campaign mod which unshackles both you and the AI and it was really fun, i even lost a couple games when I tried to go crazy DoW'ing everyone like I used to in ETW/NTW.

As far as engine is concerned the game moves and feels much more fluid than ETW/NTW ever did. Personally, i'm excited by the prospect of not having to wait three weeks for the AI to take its turn.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I was wondering what your opinion of the demo was. I particularly wasn't very impressed and just felt as if it was a reskinned NTW with slightly better AI.

Thoughts?

Perfect quote. Waste of time and money at its current price, unless you love the time period or hate your money. I'll wait until it goes under $10 in the next 6 months. Pretty artwork though - a re-skinned Napoleon.