Boxing or Kickboxing?

[Centurion1]

[ Play nicely, Cent! - Sec]

[Vuk]

No, I am not. It is just that the fights you are used to are fights between two talentless bums who don't know anything about how to really fight. You have to end a fight fast; there is not time for dancing around throwing punches or rolling on the floor in an indecent manner. You use your speed and your weight, you dislodge your enemy and end the fight. That simple.
Boxing does not work in a fight, because it has no defense, is extremely limited (no kicking, grappling, etc), and does not make good use of mass. Grappling is useless against more than one person, and only will work one on one if either your opponent doesn't know what they are doing or tries to grapple back. Both boxing and grappling are way too limited. TKD is a lot more all-encompassing, and makes much better use of mass.

[Fragony]

(kick)boxing makes excellent use of weight. You won't be caught of balance. No offence but you've only been in two real fights, you have little hope of winning from someone more routined. Here's why: you are thinking about what you are doing. (kick)boxing is closest to a real fight so it absolutely got the edge.

[Vuk]

(kick)boxing makes excellent use of weight. You won't be caught of balance. No offence but you've only been in two real fights, you have little hope of winning from someone more routined. Here's why: you are thinking about what you are doing. (kick)boxing is closest to a real fight so it absolutely got the edge.

Yeah, I know that I have very limited experience in fights Frags, but I think that I understand them pretty well.
A: I have seen a lot of fights, and witnessed how they go down.
B: Some of the guys (and girls actually :P) who I do martial arts with fight a lot.
C: I have enough experience fighting to realize the rush and confusion that comes with a fight. (and I know what it is to completely flub what you try to do :P)

I am not claiming to be an expert fighter, but I do know this: TKD works. Wing Tsjun also works very well. The first time I was ever attacked, it was by a guy I knew who had 5 years of boxing experience (which is not to say that he was a good boxer, he was lazy and unmotivated). I was able to stop his groin kick, his punch, and take him to the ground nearly instantly. I know that it works.
Also, I have sparred with kickboxers before, and honestly was not impressed. Their hand-work (like that of boxers) leaves much to be desired, and their kicks are not direct enough. (By this I mean that the kickboxers I have sparred with have all done the same thing: throw a bunch of low rounds to my knees, and I just have to lunge in with a front kick and knock them over.)

Most martial artist I meet, when I tell them that I practice Taiji, TKD, and WT, they are not impressed at all. That said, most of them gain some amount of respect for the arts after sparring with me. Unfortunately, I cannot demonstrate that for you, so we must agree to disagree.

Coincidently, while I have been having this conversation, my brother has been having a similar one with his History professor, who is also a professional boxer. (This woman)
He wants to get into boxing so that he can win the golden gloves, and he is convinced that he can beat any of the boxers out there. They only problem is that he cannot compete without a coach. He asked her, and when she saw his technique and he explained his strategy she ripped him apart and said he punched like a six year old and would get punched in the head. :P
It amazes me the lack of respect boxers have for things that they do not even understand. Let's just say that I was sorely tempted when I heard that to show her otherwise. :P

[Strike For The South]

All of these fighters would murder any of us

There skills are so far beyond what any of us have attained is literally lol to compare

It would be like me putting up a video of an IFBB comp and saying yea we all look like that

Or a video of Phil Pfister and saying yea we're all that strong

[Vuk]

All of these fighters would murder any of us

There skills are so far beyond what any of us have attained is literally lol to compare

It would be like me putting up a video of an IFBB comp and saying yea we all look like that

Or a video of Phil Pfister and saying yea we're all that strong

lol, speak for yourself Strike.

[Strike For The South]

lol, speak for yourself Strike.

LO freaking L

Dellusions of granduer

It reminds me of the guys who tell me they'll be in WSM or in Olympia. To compete at that level you need inate godgiven talent and gentics

If none of us have made it there yet, we aint making it

[Vuk]

LO freaking L

Delusions of grandeur

It reminds me of the guys who tell me they'll be in WSM or in Olympia. To compete at that level you need inate godgiven talent and gentics

If none of us have made it there yet, we aint making it

lol, sorry Strike, but most of those golden gloves guys are a bunch of talentless bums who don't know anything about how to fight. That is why my bro wants to get into boxing, to show them how to really fight. :P All he has to do now if find a coach.
Yeah, you are right to a degree: they work much harder than I do now and are in much better physical condition. That said though, they don't know how to fight! They just rely on size and being able to take a bunch of hits. Their technique stinks, they are slow, they are not that powerful, etc, etc.

EDIT: You see Strike, I would have superior technique, speed, and power on my side, and they would only have endurance and possibly conditioning.

[Hosakawa Tito]

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