Re: Teutonic hotseat signup
As the player for the TO and having never played the campaign I'd have to say keep everything as is. The Kalmar union included. But If it's so imbalanced that either faction can sweep across the map then maybe no. I sure wish I had experience with this.
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Re: Teutonic hotseat signup
The problem is I didn't create the mod and have zero modding skills, so I can't pick and choose which parts of it to use. If we don't use it we can't have Norway and the Mongols as playable, viable factions. So we're pretty much stuck with not having the Kalmar Union.
Myth, I think you'll find the TO is plenty strong enough without those extra stacks. But let's see what everyone else thinks.
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Re: Teutonic hotseat signup
Just checking what Kalmar union means - it's when the Danish player conquers certain settlements and kills the Norwegian king, he basically gets to take over the remaining Norway faction automatically and completely. It's one-way, the Norway player can't do it. So a bit unfair in a hotseat where Norway is playable I think and a good thing not to have.
And the TO gets three "Crusading Nobles" with a half stack each which appear intermittently through the game if Lithuania is still pagan. There's a bit of a longstanding convention here that when things like this happen the scripted extra stacks are removed by the admin. We did it in CotF to get rid of extra Turkish and Byzantine stacks and I really think we should do it again here.
Myth, I understand you don't want to be disadvantaged but there is already a built-in advantage for the TO in that the auto-resolve favours your heavy infantry. In the last Teutonic hotseat we played the TO steamrollered everyone else combined.
So I hope you don't mind if we balance things by taking away those free stacks that no other factions get.
I really do think it will be more balanced that way and I'm not playing in this one so I don't have any vested interest.
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Re: Teutonic hotseat signup
Sure I can agree to that If the TO are that imbalanced. Because we left the free stacks in the Britannia game (wales gets hordes of troops I must now slaughter) I thought it wasn't a common thing to do. Do any of the other factions in the Teutonic Campaign get free stacks or other such things?
BTW what of missions that reward you with free units a-la council missions from M2TW?
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Re: Teutonic hotseat signup
Erm, ask the Britannia game admin about thatOriginally Posted by Myth
Seriously though, the Britannia campaign is just totally unbalanced all round to be honest. England starts with more territories than everybody else combined! So I think it would be likely unplayable if you took away the scripted armies from Wales, Scotland and Norway. Do Ireland get any? I'm not sure...
Those usually aren't that unbalancing as you only get a few units at most and all factions get them so I don't consider them much of an issue.
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Re: Teutonic hotseat signup
I figured that's part of the fun of the Britannia game. In a completely fair fight England would easily steamroll the smaller factions. Norway isn't even viable without the troops they get (which are still far fewer than England or even Scotland can recruit in the same time period), and Wales is even worse off. Also note England gets free troops as well, including armored swordsmen I believe. This is in the form of a returning "crusade". I think only Ireland gets the shaft in regard to free troops, although if they're successful they do get an island of their own.
The Teutonic campaign is more or less balanced, except for factions not meant to be played (Norway and Mongols) and the Order, which has the best castles and basic troops that can take on others' elites in autoresolve. Kalmar Union aside, they're also the sole "free troop" faction in the campaign.
Erm, ask the Britannia game admin about that
Seriously though, the Britannia campaign is just totally unbalanced all round to be honest. England starts with more territories than everybody else combined! So I think it would be likely unplayable if you took away the scripted armies from Wales, Scotland and Norway. Do Ireland get any? I'm not sure...
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Re: Teutonic hotseat signup
Having played the Teutonic campaign in hotseats a fair many times, I suggest leaving the crusading nobles in. The Kalmar union should go. Basically install those fixes. ;)
Oh and Britannia is balanced if you follow the Scots v Norway and Ireland and Wales v England.
In one hotseat the last three factions were Norway, Ireland and Wales, neither betraying each other.
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