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    I see.

    Is that done either voluntarily or compulsory?

    Again, who decides what is normal and what is abnormal?
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    I see.

    Is that done either voluntarily or compulsory?

    Again, who decides what is normal and what is abnormal?
    "What is normal" is objective, not subjective.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    "What is normal" is objective, not subjective.
    Could you give some examples of normal/non-normal stuff then?
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Could you give some examples of normal/non-normal stuff then?
    I already have. But, I can give more:

    In a group where everybody plays video games, playing video games is normal.

    In a group where everybody works out regularly, working out regularly is normal.

    In a group where everybody drinks, drinking is normal.

    Etc etc, I'm sure you get the picture by now. Everything can be considered normal, it is the context the activity is placed within that determines whether or not it's normal.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    So if a government half-wit decided that posting on games forums is abnormal and deems it necessary to "denormalise" it, with the sanction of fines and/or imprisonment you'd be OK with that?
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    So if a government half-wit decided that posting on games forums is abnormal and deems it necessary to "denormalise" it, with the sanction of fines and/or imprisonment you'd be OK with that?
    I want some of your pot.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    I already have. But, I can give more:

    In a group where everybody plays video games, playing video games is normal.

    In a group where everybody works out regularly, working out regularly is normal.

    In a group where everybody drinks, drinking is normal.

    Etc etc, I'm sure you get the picture by now. Everything can be considered normal, it is the context the activity is placed within that determines whether or not it's normal.
    Surely those are examples of things being subjective... ie there is no sort of objective truth behind what is normal, it is instead relative to the experiences of certain groups/individuals.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Surely those are examples of things being subjective... ie there is no sort of objective truth behind what is normal, it is instead relative to the experiences of certain groups/individuals.
    No, it is still objective, I probably didn't explain it well enough.

    What is normal refers to the context something is placed within, not the action itself. There is no objective truth as to what actions are normal, true. But normalization refers to contexts, and the context is objective, not subjective.

    To explain further: let's say we put object X into context Y, which will yield result Z. Z will refer to object X being normal. But object X is completely random. Context Y, on the other hand, is not random, but rather a constant value which will transform object X to "normal". Y is objective.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    I'm not sure that was a very good explanation... So, I'll gie another one:

    The three examples posted above all have one thing in common, one mechanism. This mechanism is objective(as it is constant and will produce the same result over and over again no matter what the input is), and that mechanism is what what makes things "normal".
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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