NY Times.... Getting worse and worse all the time

**HoreTore** · 03-12-2011, 18:47

Well, then your outrage is suddenly far, far more understandable. I don't have any issues with the article itself, but if the reporter holds such a view, I do have a problem with him, and I hope that he gets fired as well as tarred and feathered.

But honestly... I would've thought I had made my feminist position quite clear on this board numerous times. I never blame rape in any fashion on women. I am crystal clear that there is no such thing as "responsibility" for being raped. I don't know how to make myself any clearer on that...

**Greyblades** · 03-12-2011, 19:43

Originally Posted by HoreTore

But honestly... I would've thought I had made my feminist position quite clear on this board numerous times. I never blame rape in any fashion on women.

What if it is the woman doing the rape?

**HoreTore** · 03-12-2011, 23:22

Originally Posted by Greyblades

What if it is the woman doing the rape?

Duh.....

**rory_20_uk** · 03-12-2011, 23:31

There was a case in the UK where a footballer was accused of rape. The woman freely admits going back to his hotel room, having a drink, getting naked and gyrating on his lap (I think he was almost undressed too)... and states she didn't want to go any further than that.

Unsurprisingly the case was thrown out.

In my opinion "no means no" has to be said a long time before this point.

**Greyblades** · 03-12-2011, 23:36

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Duh.....

Duh what? You clearly said "I never blame rape in any fashion on women.".

**HoreTore** · 03-13-2011, 00:11

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Duh what? You clearly said "I never blame rape in any fashion on women.".

I thought it obvious that I was referring to cases where the woman was the victim.

**econ21** · 03-13-2011, 03:05

I read the NY Times article the day it came out and it left a bad taste in my mouth for the reasons the NY Times editor later said. The journalist messed up, no doubt. But I am not convinced the politics of the paper have any bearing on that mistake and if the editors failed to prevent the mess, they have at least responded appropriately. However what disturbed me most about the article was not the reporting but the possibility that the community was blaming the victim/parent. If so that was pretty sick and helped understand how such a terrible thing could happen. The politics of the newspaper and the races of the protaganists are not the things to get riled up about here.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 03-13-2011, 05:13

Originally Posted by econ21

I read the NY Times article the day it came out and it left a bad taste in my mouth for the reasons the NY Times editor later said. The journalist messed up, no doubt. But I am not convinced the politics of the paper have any bearing on that mistake and if the editors failed to prevent the mess, they have at least responded appropriately. However what disturbed me most about the article was not the reporting but the possibility that the community was blaming the victim/parent. If so that was pretty sick and helped understand how such a terrible thing could happen. The politics of the newspaper and the races of the protaganists are not the things to get riled up about here.

You're back!

**Xiahou** · 03-13-2011, 05:17

When I read the NYT article, those sections definitely jumped out at me. I read it, furrowed my brown, and read it again... did they just say that? Very odd reporting indeed.

Originally Posted by econ21

However what disturbed me most about the article was not the reporting but the possibility that the community was blaming the victim/parent. If so that was pretty sick and helped understand how such a terrible thing could happen.

I thought that part was unsettling as well. The question, that the reporter didn't answer, is how prevalent is that view? You can always find some creep who would sympathize with a rapist- but they're usually the outlier. If that's a mainstream view in town, it's very disturbing indeed.

**Greyblades** · 03-13-2011, 14:16

Originally Posted by HoreTore

I thought it obvious that I was referring to cases where the woman was the victim.

:blinks:

But honestly... I would've thought I had made my feminist position quite clear on this board numerous times. I never blame rape in any fashion on women. I am crystal clear that there is no such thing as "responsibility" for being raped. I don't know how to make myself any clearer on that...

Sorry the mention of a feminist position followed by the never blame rape on women seemed to give me a wrong impression, I apologise.