There will simply never be peace

[Rhyfelwyr]

What if it was actually another Jew?

Anti-semite.

Anyway, I think it is more likely that this was carried out by one of the fringe groups that in no way represents the Palestinian people, and yet it would appear that it is the ordinary Palestinian that will feel the effects with another settlement being annexed. I guess this is how you breed extremism...

Although taking a broad historical view, in all honesty I believe Israel would be justified in annexing the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip right now.

[Hax]

Although taking a broad historical view, in all honesty I believe Israel would be justified in annexing the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip right now.

How broad?

[Rhyfelwyr]

How broad?

Genesis.

No, I'm kidding. But certainly going back to around 1948 etc. The West looks at things all wrong... the Zionists are not evil colonists kicking out the 'native' Palestians. There are in fact very few native Palestinians and not all were Muslim or Arab... what people think of as 'native Palestinians' today are in fact mostly settlers from the neighbouring Arab states that came after many of the Zionists.

The only reason Israel doesn't control the West Bank/Gaza Strip is because they were stolen by Arab powers.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Genesis.

No, I'm kidding. But certainly going back to around 1948 etc. The West looks at things all wrong... the Zionists are evil colonists kicking out the 'native' Palestians. There are in fact very few native Palestinians and not all were Muslim or Arab... what people think of as 'native Palestinians' today are in fact mostly settlers from the neighbouring Arab states that came after many of the Zionists.

The only reason Israel doesn't control the West Bank/Gaza Strip is because they were stolen by Arab powers.

That's a slightly less simplistic view. Let's add in one more detail: what people think of as Israeli's these days are not the settlers from 1948 there are very few of those left. What people think of as Israeli's these days are mainly the descendants of immigrants from the former USSR, Europe and USA which entered the country for very different reasons and with very different motives. In actual fact some Israeli are more Israeli than others and enjoy special privileges over other Israeli (and no I am not talking about the Arabs this is purely among the Jewish population)...

[Fragony]

How broad?

The Arab nations went to war and lost, not that odd to annex territories. Palestina doesn't exist, neither do Palestinians, they are extinct for centuries, It's just an invention of the PLO

[rory_20_uk]

The Arab nations went to war and lost, not that odd to annex territories. Palestina doesn't exist, neither do Palestinians, they are extinct for centuries, It's just an invention of the PLO

So was Israel.

[Hax]

A lot of the migrants towards Gaza were not native Palestinians. Arafat himself was Egyptian. However, there is a sizeable amount of people that still hold the deeds of their ancestors who lived in the Israel/Palestine area during the later Ottoman Empire. Several families still have the keys to their homes. It's just really difficult to find out who are "real" Palestinians and who are migrants from other Arab countries.

[Rhyfelwyr]

A lot of the migrants towards Gaza were not native Palestinians. Arafat himself was Egyptian. However, there is a sizeable amount of people that still hold the deeds of their ancestors who lived in the Israel/Palestine area during the later Ottoman Empire. Several families still have the keys to their homes. It's just really difficult to find out who are "real" Palestinians and who are migrants from other Arab countries.

True, but my point wasn't that the Israeli's had a better claim, it was simply to note that the 'Palestinians' don't really have any more of claim to being the natives of the land. Most people here don't understand that.

[Hax]

So can we accept that neither of them have the same claim to the land?

[Ironside]

True, but my point wasn't that the Israeli's had a better claim, it was simply to note that the 'Palestinians' don't really have any more of claim to being the natives of the land. Most people here don't understand that.

It's not as much the original claim of land that the problem, the crux with annexation is that the people you annex are now supposed to be treated as citizens... And that's never going to happen as long as there exist a lot of Palestinians on those lands.

Thus current situation. 2 states, but what borders?

[Fragony]

So was Israel.

That is also kinda true of course, but it's really tiny. Tiny piece of land that has to be armed to the teeth.