An Irish protest

[Leon the Batavian]

So Ireland the land of heroes is not unified ? Just curious.

Any subject should be and will be discussed. We live in a Democracy (or is the Netherlands the only country where you can do such things ? I am sure not) with freedom of speech even though it will rise some eyebrows.
Medieval times are over! And on top of that its was an Irishman who started this topic.

But what if the Romans decided to have look over there would all the Irish people stand United ?

[Ludens]

Any subject should be and will be discussed. We live in a Democracy (...) with freedom of speech even though it will rise some eyebrows.

Actually, this forum is just there to discuss EB2. If you wish to discuss politics, you can sign up for the .Org Backroom. You need to request access first (via settings > permission groups), but usually this is a formality.

That said: Freedom of Speech means the government is not allowed to limit your right to express yourself. It is not the right to a publisher, or to an audience, and it does not trump the right to private property. If you wish to use the .Org's website and bandwidth to publish your message, you need the .Org's consent. You cannot force us to host your message, because we too are free to publish what we wish.

With that in mind: please drop the subject of contemporary Irish politics. It may be welcome in the Backroom or the Monastery, but it definitely isn't here.

[Maeran]

To revisit a more EB'y point

But what if the Romans decided to have look over there would all the Irish people stand United ?

Most of the time, the Romans (and others) made use of local rivalries and ambitions to divide and conquer. So, I wouldn't expect the Irish tribes to have united against a common threat. Not 100% anyway.

[oudysseos]

Actually, if we had unlimited province slots, I'd put 4 or 5 into Ireland (and at least 12 into Britain) - and say 14 into Iberia, and so on, and so on. It's just the reality of the situation: adding one somewhere means subtracting one from someplace else, and the map is finalized, at least in terms of province allocations: we really have been over every possible option, and aren't going to reopen the debate.

traditionally Ireland was divided into two regions during this period.

Well, not really. Have a look at Raftery's Pagan Celtic Ireland or A New History of Ireland. There are a number of ways that you could divide up Ireland in our period, but a straight North/South line is not one of them.

the archaeology at Emain Macha/Navan is far more substantial than at Tara Hill.

Again, not so much, or at least, they're kindof apples and oranges. The Navan site is thought to have been more ritualized, while the Tara site could actually have been used/inhabited as a residence/centre of power, but frankly there is so little real historical information about this period to help us interpret the archaeology that you could probably come up with a plausible scenario for just about anything.

That said, even if we had unlimited provinces, I would not be in favour of an Irish faction: there are just not enough real facts to work with.

[Brennus]

Well, not really. Have a look at Raftery's Pagan Celtic Ireland

I intend to as soon as I have finished Cunliffe's "Iron Age" communities in Britain.

That said, even if we had unlimited provinces, I would not be in favour of an Irish faction: there are just not enough real facts to work with.

Neither would I. A Goidelic faction would be akin to a Scandanavian faction in terms of historical accuracy.

So Ireland the land of heroes is not unified ? Just curious.

Any subject should be and will be discussed. We live in a Democracy (or is the Netherlands the only country where you can do such things ? I am sure not) with freedom of speech even though it will rise some eyebrows.
Medieval times are over! And on top of that its was an Irishman who started this topic?

I must confess I am not Irish, I simply live here, I am British (and not in the Orange Order sense of the word, I am Scottish on my fathers side, English on my mothers and I was born and raised in Manchester). If you want to discuss the situation in Northern Ireland and Irish history in general feel free to PM me but as Ludens said no discussing Ireland outside of the timeframe EBII is concerned with.

Personally I don't think the Romans could have held Ireland, like Caledonia it did not posses the socio-political framework that the Roman state could graft its administration onto. Other Celtic area such as central transalpine Gaul, cisalpine Gaul and south eastern Britain did possess the necessary socio-political features to enable the Roman administration to latch on; Oppidum, increasingly complex and centralised governments, an economy based on crop production and trade etc. Ireland's reliance on pastoralism and lack of large settlements meant that, in my opinion, although the Romans would have had no difficulty beating the Irish in combat they would have found it very very difficuly to Romanise the Irish.

[Havok.]

So Ireland the land of heroes is not unified ? Just curious.

Any subject should be and will be discussed. We live in a Democracy (or is the Netherlands the only country where you can do such things ? I am sure not) with freedom of speech even though it will rise some eyebrows.
Medieval times are over! And on top of that its was an Irishman who started this topic.

But what if the Romans decided to have look over there would all the Irish people stand United ?

You got no wrong, topics are free to be discussed indeed,just as long as in their right places.

As for the province topic, i have complete trust in the EB team decision to let just one province, i'm sure they pondered enough to decide this.

[TheLastDays]

I actually agree very much, for what it's worth...

If there weren't enough settled areas to really allow 1 region, why use 2 on the island when you need them in, dare I say it, areas that were, during the EB timeframe, way more important, politically and commercially.