Shogun vs Shogun 2

[Rothe]

Even though Shogun 1 will remain a "classic" game with fond memories, if I have to pick what to play right now (2011), I will pick Shogun 2.

Shogun 1 made a big impression at the time because it was (for me) the first of its kind in combining RTS and turn based strategy, along with historical information etc.

Now, the shogun 2 makes a less of a splash in the market and in my mind, but the improvements over shogun 1 are still major in my opinion. The campaign is nicer. The graphics are nicer, I like the tech and economy etc. etc. more than I would in Shogun 1 if I were to run it now.

If you ask me after 10 years which game made a bigger impression, I would probably still say STW 1. If you ask me what I want to play right then, I would say STW 3 ;)

[Azi Tohak]

Shogun 1 made a big impression at the time because it was (for me) the first of its kind in combining RTS and turn based strategy, along with historical information etc.

I agree. I was delighted when I found out that instead of the ridiculous click-fests of RTS, where units run about and kill and die as robots, the charming little men in STW would get scared or angry and behave accordingly. Combine that with a personal favorite historical niche, I loved STW. 2 just makes everything better!

[Azi Tohak]

D'oh! Double post.

[Poulp']

Shogun 1, for all the reason stated by OP.

It shall remain STW as long as AI can't cope with 3D strategic map.

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

Shogun 1 was by far the best strategy game and it was good,the only downside?

Graphics.

Shogun2 re improved the game and bought to a outstanding leval.

[edyzmedieval]

All of this S2TW playing made me want to play STW again, so I gratefully took my original CDs and slotted them inside the drive. Hopefully tonight I shall have epic battles of Oda Ashigaru against Mori Warrior Monks.

[Cu'Roi]

i find the graphics in shogun 2 are better than in shogun 1

[Graphic]

Shogun 2.

I loved Shogun. I'm quite nostalgic about it and it was a revolution in its time. But now its simply too old. Very little depth. I do miss the FMV diplomacy, though.

[Prodigal]

2 for me, STW opened my eye's to what strategy games should be like, & in so doing pretty much ruined 95% of the stuff I was playing at the time. Course that was then, & this is now.

Due to wanting to simply play STW2 I'd ignored graphic problems like lack of roads, rivers and borders on the campaign map, sorted that last weekend & came very close to licking my monitor it looks so freaking delicious. Pretty much everything I've not liked in the more recent TW's seems to be either fixed, or just out right improved.

Now if they would only made an RTW2....

[East East Wild]

Shogun 2 all the way. When I first play shogun 10 years back. I was really really excited. It was really a break thru for tactical real time battles and you can execute realistic formation we read in historical books. We can do that now too in Shogun better then we can do it back in RTW and MTW2.

Problem with Shogun though...everytime I won and routed the enemy, they would murdered massacred my army just by fleeing thru them.... is that!

[Yesugey]

Shogun 2 is an excellent game, covers every aspects of all the other TW games combines, plus lots of magnificent features. The tech tree, diplomacy, graphics.. It's a masterpiece, %99 of what would you expect from a TW game.

But I pick Shogun I, because it has the awesome long-term battle scenes, which the games after RTW has not. Units usually either run away or lose after few seconds of melee, and flanking doesn't matter at all. I truly miss the long battles from old STW which you can't know who is going to win until the last minute, or you win by rallying your routing troops.

[hernethehunter]

I like both for being good games. The Risk style campaign map holds up very well in Shogun 1 giving decisive battles. The deceptive simplicity of the campaign compared to later titles in the series still gives a good game. Those decisive battles are enjoyable. Shogun 2 is a worthy sequel.

[ReluctantSamurai]

But I pick Shogun I, because it has the awesome long-term battle scenes, which the games after RTW has not. Units usually either run away or lose after few seconds of melee, and flanking doesn't matter at all. I truly miss the long battles from old STW which you can't know who is going to win until the last minute, or you win by rallying your routing troops.

This! Epic battles that could sometimes last 1 1/2 to 2 hours realtime...maneuver, tactics, one side winning---now losing...weather that actually affected tactics on the battlefield...a chess match. And yes, I love playing chess, so graphics not so important if game play is superior.

S2 has its improvements over S1, for sure, but I've never gotten quite as excited playing S2. So my vote for the One-That-Started-It-All....