Too Slow ?

**Zarky** · 03-25-2011, 13:44

Originally Posted by Rothe

I did not get to the divide yet, so I'd like to know how many provinces you can take before it triggers?

There is no exact number. I'm not sure if campaign difficulty or estimated clan difficulty affect this, but great victories and high daimyo honor also increase clan reputation.
Best you can do is not get great victories after "Shoguns Ire" message and capture couple provinces.

**LeftEyeNine** · 03-25-2011, 20:27

1557 Summer and I own all of Kyushu. I've slowed down the conquests to improve the homeland for now.

Having met Takeda clan, I have a question for you:

Those guys own almost most of Central Japan with 11 provinces and I have brought a daughter of the daimyo into the family through marriage, hence building a "Very Friendly" relationship.

The Takeda are currently in war with Ashikaga Shogunate and they are "high"ly likely to accept a Military Alliance.

Does making a military alliance with Takeda at this point automatically make me waging war against the Shogunate ?

**Gregoshi** · 03-25-2011, 21:27

Who is the bigger threat? The Takeda or the Shogunate? What is the advantage of an alliance with the Takeda at this point in the game? Isn't trade with them enough? Who else is dominant (a threat) and how close are they to you? If you abandon the Takeda, you at least got a wife from them to continue your line.

**LeftEyeNine** · 03-25-2011, 21:50

Originally Posted by Gregoshi

Who is the bigger threat? The Takeda or the Shogunate? What is the advantage of an alliance with the Takeda at this point in the game? Isn't trade with them enough? Who else is dominant (a threat) and how close are they to you? If you abandon the Takeda, you at least got a wife from them to continue your line.

Shogunate, after my 8th province capture, took me "prominent" and I was told that I should expect a call to arms against me by them in the future.

But this Takeda who are already in war with the Shogunate makes me wonder:

I made Matsuda, who are neighbors to me from Kyushu's connection to the main island, enemies for quite some time now despite the fact that only 1 naval battle took place between us so far. Actually they pose more of a threat to me right now with their 4 province and other 2 being under their threat and I wondered if I could use Takeda alliance to dodge Realm Divide and giving more to Matsuda to think about while their hands are already full with Ouchi and another faction right now.

Actually, if I'm not automatically against the Shogun itself once I'm in the pact, I'm seeing allying with Takeda beneficial for the moment, so as to spread to the mainland.

What do you think provided a clearer situation of things now ?

**Gregoshi** · 03-25-2011, 22:41

Apart from meta-gaming the Realm Divide, it seems like the Takeda alliance would be beneficial to you. What are the prospects of taking Shikoku? Or is Honshu the better option? The Honshu provinces near Kyushu are fairly poor (I know, I own them in my campaign).

**andrewt** · 03-25-2011, 23:53

I'd say ally with the Takeda. If you're allied for a long time, they stay with you through realm divide. The Shogunate is really harmless aside from that event.

**Reapz** · 03-26-2011, 06:28

"Definitely too slow. You should be in a good position to get a leg up on the trade nodes; get as much money together as you can and start banging heads."

Trade nodes are for noobies. Real Generals just get straight into the fight and start grinding.

**LeftEyeNine** · 03-26-2011, 00:03

I thought of that today, too, Greg-sama. But Chosokabe on that island are a good trade partner of mine and they are not so feeble to overwhelm.

Also, I just can not peace out with Matsuda. Should I open a war front at Shikoku, I'll always be on my toes about Buzen because of the threat from the Matsuda.

You're absolutely right about the expansion given equal terms but Matsuda's vile existence is bothering me much right now.

**Gregoshi** · 03-26-2011, 00:25

Well, that settles it then. The Matsuda...must...die! Didn't seem like there was much of a decision in this. I think you let the Realm Divide intimidate you into indecision. The course is clear - go for it! May Honour and Victory follow your armies.

**Monk** · 03-25-2011, 21:30

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

Does making a military alliance with Takeda at this point automatically make me waging war against the Shogunate ?

No i don't believe so. The Takeda would need to petition you to join in on the war. It's a dilpomatic option, look for it next time you're dealing with an ally/vassal you've setablished post war declaration.

Originally Posted by Gregoshi

Who is the bigger threat? The Takeda or the Shogunate? What is the advantage of an alliance with the Takeda at this point in the game? Isn't trade with them enough? Who else is dominant (a threat) and how close are they to you? If you abandon the Takeda, you at least got a wife from them to continue your line.

Proximity is the major thing i'd worry about in this instance. The Takeda sound like the emerging powerhouse in this game - so much so that they're already warring for Kyoto. If they have that sort of power would you really want to defy them? If you're sitting pretty on Kyushu far from the epicenter.. maybe so! Though i'm not sure what happens if another clan takes the capital. Do they become shogun and you lose?