Gangsta

**Centurion1** · 03-22-2011, 23:06

you do live in wisconsin. i wouldnt want to walk around say the bronx and talk crap even to the young kids. i walk quietly preferably in a group and dont act obnoxious.

I think your pretty full of hyperbole passion. not every street corner is inhabited by chavs (which is just poor scum right?) and not everyone in a bar is going to try to break a bottle over your head if you get into an argument with them. Do things like that happen, why i am quite sure they do but i feel like your over exaggerating them.

i also think this may be an unintentional troll by vuk.

**Vuk** · 03-23-2011, 01:25

You guys don't get my point. The idiots in the gangs around here are not armed, they are not dangerous. They are just a bunch of 14-20 year olds who think that they are really tough, spread graffitti, vandalize property, and try to intimidate people. Unfortunately, it works. People shy away from them and get scared crappless of them. I don't understand, as I have never heard of a gang fight happening in the city since the 90's! They are just a bunch of dumb kids wanting to play criminal, and they scare people! That is what I do not understand. Are people so silly that because someone wears a fitted cap and rolls his pants leg up they think they are suddenly Al Freaking Capone! These guys are not an armed drug gang or the IRA, they are a bunch of stupid little kids who get into a gang so they won't get beat up! Honestly, I have never seen a real gangster who dresses like the popular conception of a gangster. :P

My question is this, why do a bunch of grown adults act scared and keep a large distance between themselves and a bunch of 15 year old idiots hanging outside of McD smoking? Because they dress like pimps? (or what they think pimps dress like) Seriously though, do people think?

@Centurion, No, I am not trolling. And no, I am not saying that it is a thing that exists everywhere. I am simply saying that it does exist. Most of the kids aren't 'chavs' as you put it. Most of them are from lower-middle class families. I don't know what the 'gangs' are like elsewhere, but around here, they are a joke. Just a bunch of punks who think they are tough.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-23-2011, 01:31

I think Vuk encountered some kids that call themselves a gang, when in fact their gang activities probably consist of some petty anti-social behaviour like mugging grannies or harassing disabled people or whatever they do these days.

I'm pretty sure the guys that actually lead serious criminal gangs have more important things to do than make themselves look big by getting into groups to threaten passers-by.

**Vuk** · 03-23-2011, 01:37

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

I think Vuk encountered some kids that call themselves a gang, when in fact their gang activities probably consist of some petty anti-social behaviour like mugging grannies or harassing disabled people or whatever they do these days.

I'm pretty sure the guys that actually lead serious criminal gangs have more important things to do than make themselves look big by getting into groups to threaten passers-by.

lol Rhyf, that is the entire point of my thread! :P That is what I have been saying all this time. My question is, why were people afraid of them (because they are)? What is so intimidating about an idiot dressed as a pimp?

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-23-2011, 02:04

Originally Posted by Vuk

lol Rhyf, that is the entire point of my thread! :P That is what I have been saying all this time. My question is, why were people afraid of them (because they are)? What is so intimidating about an idiot dressed as a pimp?

Well I see now that that is the case. So I guess "gansta" means more a kind of youth culture based on dress/music etc and not someone affiliated with criminal gangs?

**Major Robert Dump** · 03-23-2011, 03:09

I'm scared of gangs, not because of the individuals in them, but because many of them are sociopaths with nothing to lose. Idiots with no regard for life scare me more than cunning, manipulative criminals. Its the gangsters who commit heinous crimes and are caught the next day because they aren't even smart enough to conduct selkf-preservation. At least with cunning criminals you know you are relatively safe in public and in your home unless you behave carelessly and don't make yourself a target. But you piss the gangs off around here, and they retribute in force. I don't care how tough you think you are, a drive by while you are walking into 7-11 or 5 guys shanking you in the movie theatre is the type of things that a lot of gangs do, and they are almost always caught, which doesn't make me feel any better about pissing them off

**Crazed Rabbit** · 03-23-2011, 03:17

Vuk, I wouldn't say you encountered a gang. The kids you confronted aren't gangsters and aren't representative of them.

They're stupid little kids who like to puff out their chest.

We have some gangs near where I live - (Surenos, apparently feuding with other Surenos, the Bandidos, and some white supremacists). I saw a Bandido prospect in Walmart the other day.

Those folks I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to confront. I get the idea they might not all be super tough, just much more willing to use violence than the average person.

EDIT: See MRD's post above for a better explanation. Some weeks back there was a drive-by in they city I work in. Luckily the shooters were crap shots. And apparently their target pulled a gun and shot back. The police caught them shortly thereafter, but haven't managed to charge anyone but the driver.

CR

**Vuk** · 03-23-2011, 03:23

I see what you mean, but my point is that gangsters are people who are in gangs. Like it or not, but being in a gang makes you a gangster, and they do commit small crimes. Most of the gangs in Wisconsin (with the notable exceptions of Milwaukee and Madison) are simply a bunch of stupid young punks who think that they are cool. Why are people afraid of such people? Is it really that hard to tell a serious gangster from the punks? Why then do a bunch of idiots dressing tough scare people?

**Motep** · 03-23-2011, 03:46

Well, I suppose some would rather play it safe

**Crazed Rabbit** · 03-24-2011, 07:12

Originally Posted by Vuk

I see what you mean, but my point is that gangsters are people who are in gangs. Like it or not, but being in a gang makes you a gangster, and they do commit small crimes. Most of the gangs in Wisconsin (with the notable exceptions of Milwaukee and Madison) are simply a bunch of stupid young punks who think that they are cool. Why are people afraid of such people? Is it really that hard to tell a serious gangster from the punks? Why then do a bunch of idiots dressing tough scare people?

The reason people are wary is because everyone else is using a different definition of 'gangs' than you.

If you're going to say that gangsters are people in gangs, then I have to point out that groups of high schoolers in rural Wisconsin do not constitute a gang. Just because the little punk says he's in a gang doesn't mean he is.

CR

**Jaguara** · 03-25-2011, 05:06

Originally Posted by Vuk

I see what you mean, but my point is that gangsters are people who are in gangs. Like it or not, but being in a gang makes you a gangster, and they do commit small crimes.

I will say as well that we seem to have a semantics issue here. When someone says "gangster" to me, I think of organized crime gangs. (Mafia, Russian Mob, Hells Angels, etc. - as well as their lesser affiliates) The dictionary definition is "a member of a criminal gang". Yes, these kids commit crimes, but they are not a gang organized for crime.

So, being in a deadbeat "gang" that shoplifts or graffiti's a wall (and other random misdemeanors), should not be referred to as "gangsters".

Anyway, even a group of enough young kids with something to prove can be dangerous...like MRD says above.

Just one word of caution...even if these punks are as laughable as you say...and you confront them on the street, and humiliate them. What is to say that they don't show up at your house when you are out and trash the place...or your car...or harrass people you know who might be less able to stand up to them. They don't even have to confront you directly to hurt you and those around you.

All that said, people are often scared of all the wrong things. People are terrified of some biker friends of mine because of how they dress...but these guys are like public servants and computer programmers. They are not trying to intimidate anyone, but people are afraid of them anyway.