Question for Strike and the other buff getting buff buffs

[Vuk]

or how about a hang clean or a push press. Your telling me picking up rocks creates more muscle than weightlifting. the only thing that does is create a higherrisk of stupid injuries in your back.

No, I did ont say that it creates more muscle, and I do not know why you thought that. I said that guys who lifted all day (in a cool gym) and played football did not have the endurance or coordination to work all day in the sun. They had much more than enough muscle (the rocks were not that large), but it takes more than muscle to work. That was my point...that they were two different things. You will gain endurance, muscle, and coordination lifting and working, but you gain more endurance and coordination working, and more muscle lifting. My point was that I think a mix of the two is better than just one, and having done lots of work, I am looking to augment it by strength training. I am sorry if my 4 explanations were not enough to get my meaning across, but I hope this does.

[Strike For The South]

To compare me to some podunk, inbred, 3rd class, Wisconson high school football team is insulting

Take it back

And I have answered you, multiple times

[Vuk]

To compare me to some podunk, inbred, 3rd class, Wisconson high school football team is insulting

Take it back

And I have answered you, multiple times

I didn't compare you to anything or anyone. We were talking about power lifting and gave an example of power lifters I know. You don't need to be so defensive or so insulting.
If you have answered my question, I certainly have not been able to find your answer. What exactly do you find wrong with those exercises, and what would you suggest I do instead?

[Strike For The South]

I didn't compare you to anything or anyone. We were talking about power lifting and gave an example of power lifters I know. You don't need to be so defensive or so insulting.
If you have answered my question, I certainly have not been able to find your answer. What exactly do you find wrong with those exercises, and what would you suggest I do instead?

You gave an example of some mouth breathing crackers, who lift with there HS football team, as for responses

Deadlift and shrug

or just deadlift

Simply Isolating the neck would be pointless considering you (to my knowelege) are doing no other type of resistance training

But if you insist on cherry picking excersies for small muslce groups....Neck bridges

When a 340 pound man puts you in a headlock not all of the neck curls and head presses in the world will save you. You said your head was about to pop off, you were no where near getting out of that headlock. You can either

Get stronger everywhere
Get Better at Wing Tsu

[LeftEyeNine]

You guys are arguing thanks to a fire started by some professional internet troll.

Considering this debate only, I don't see anything Vuk particularly trying to refuse in an unpleasant way or "pissing on another" as SFTS called it, or SFTS doing something alike.

I can't believe how you buy into those silent provocations.

Vuk, SFTS, please keep it civilized for you two were both good-tempered all along. Just don't feed the trolls; I expect you two to be more experienced than that.

[Secura]

Guys, please keep it civil and be mindful of the rules; regardless of how much a member frustrates you, do not resort to personal attacks or mocking to convey your emotions.

Personally, I think there's alot of sound advice from both Centurion and Strike here, it's totally up to Vuk whether he chooses to follow suit or not.

[Vuk]

So your advice is then that training the neck by itself is not good enough, and that I should train everything?
The reason I am slow to do this Strike, is because I suffer from Tendinosis and have injuries from when I tore tendons in my arms, and one leg. Do you think I could do variations of them that did not stress the lower arms out especially? (my legs are pretty strong. It is the arms (the right ones especially) that give me problems)
I have a pretty unique situation Strike, because I can use my legs most times for strenuous activity, but making too many rapid movements (such as running) can sometimes make them sore. It really is not that big of a deal though. The big problem is my upper-body which (aside from therapy exercises), I have not done a lot with in years. The problem with my arms is two-fold. First of all, I cannot do exceptionally heavy lifting with them for long durations without causing intense pain. Secondly, fast or repeated movements usually cause a lot of pain.
It limits everything I do, including practicing martial arts. I am still able to practice martial arts; I just have to always keep up the therapy exercises (and Taiji), practice for short amounts of time, and not do it too often. I don't see how I could regularly work out with them.
My core on the other hand is pretty strong, and I regularly do back exercises (not with weights) and sit-ups/crunches as part of my martial arts training (as well as leg workouts most times), but I have to be careful not to over stress the arms. That is why I was hoping it would be possible to find a neck-strengthening exercise that did not involve a lot of stress on the arms.