things we know about Realm Divide

**quadalpha** · 03-30-2011, 00:44

The Realm Divide is kind of a big deal. There is a mod to tone it down, but let's see what we know about the vanilla version.

- It causes an immediate drop of -50 in relations with everyone due to "Realm Divide". This never goes away.

- This will worsen by -5 each turn.

- Any clans not at least "Indifferent" (anyone have a more exact number for this?) with you will declare war without further provocation; you get a "Clan joins your enemies" message.

- Provinces captured after Realm Divide will be more difficult to subdue (higher "resistance to invaders").

- The good news: the effect of "Realm Divide" is capped at -200, which means with a long-term trade agreement, an alliance, some chi arts, and a marriage, you can hold on to an ally or two.

- The less good news: any clans which emerge after the Realm Divide event will initially seem indifferent or even friendly, but will not accept any diplomatic overtures and will promptly declare war the next turn.

- Vassals you create after the event has fired will not be affected.

Triggering conditions for Realm Divide:

- Your clan's reputation bar is filled OR you capture Kyoto.

- The bar fills whenever ~~you capture a province and becomes full when you have 13 provinces (in a 25-province game) or 22 provinces (in a 60 province game)~~ you do something notable like capturing a province or win an offensive heroic victory. [This is unclear so far.]

- It doesn't unfill itself if you stop conquering for a while.

- [Does it go down when you lose a province?]

- The event itself fires when you next conquer a province. It doesn't matter if you proceed to make that province a vassal.

**AggonyKing** · 03-30-2011, 03:50

when does it end exactly? this effect

**Zarky** · 03-30-2011, 05:26

Well it never ends...
And there is no certain province limit I believe. As I've been on the verge of realm divide many times, sometimes it's enough to just win a heroic victory over your enemy to push you to Realm Divide. Luckily defending victories do not seem to affect this, just attacking.

**Forward Observer** · 03-30-2011, 06:10

I hit it on taking my 16th province in a short Shimazu campaign on the normal difficulty, so there must be a variable that has an effect of the number of provinces.

**Forward Observer** · 03-30-2011, 06:41

I also made the 17th province I conquered a vassel and established trade with them. However, within 2 or 3 turns, they broke our alliance and declared war on me along with everybody else. However, I had read quite a bit about this over at the Total war forum and was pretty much prepared for it.

I had good size armies holding Bitchu and Izumo, which were the two only provinces at the narrowest part of the mainland, so any land attacker had to come through there.

I had 3 or 4 good size navies patrolling the coastlines and that is where I sunk at least four and maybe five invasion fleets carrying full stack armies.
None of them ever made landfall.

Of course my trade went to pot, but I had all the western trade nodes and had built up an economy to still support about 4 to 5k in koku per year.

I took my time conquering Shikoku island and then marched on Kyoto. It wasn't that bad. Of course nobody left would trade or make peace, so i just said---screw it, it's Total War; tell em', I'm a comin' and I'm bringin' hell with me. (with a nod to my favorite western: Tombstone)

Cheers