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    Default Re: Enough Already with the Experiments - Monarchy is the Best Form of Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    For a religious person morality starts from the beginning of the universe, put there by God. For religious people morals are also universally applicable, they do not vary by time and place. Your "if I say something is wrong, then it simply is" statement is a hangover from religious thinking, as evidenced by the moral relativism in the next sentence! The two viewpoints are not compatable, either you hold your moral views because they have utility, or morality is axiomatic.
    It would be a remnant of traditional religous morals, perhaps, if I thought that right and wrong were objective - but I do not. I do not expect morals to be proven; the mere thought of that is to me utterly absurd (though, of course, through reason one could come from some moral principles to others, and 'prove' that they are linked).

    When I say that what is wrong and what is right varies from culture to culture, I do not mean what is right and wrong the way I see it - I do not practice moral relativity. It is a mere observation that may aid my statement.


    Actually, it is self evident. A God who creates the universe gets to ordain whatever laws he likes, and that is the root of your morality - an evil God creating the universe would be a God who created us to see him as "evil" by giving us a diametrically oppossed viewpoint to his own.
    No, it isn't. There is nothing to say that our universe is the only one. This god might be the only one truly relevant to the universe, since he created it - but he could be a part of something greater, for instance a hierarchy. This is where you will have to use secular logic. If you cannot trust the god, then any religious argument will fall apart.

    Same thing in Italy, you can't have a weak President and the sort of parliamentary democracy a monarchy usually enjoys in the West today.
    And why would that be?
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