Submitting Gun Concept

[Proletariat]

Not gonna weigh in my guess on how successful this will be, but as far as the patent stuff goes.. Just copy a bunch of photos or diagrams or whatever and mail them to yourself. Keep them sealed when it comes back to you and if you ever really need to prove it was you and your brother's idea, show the judge the post marked date and let him open it.

Also mount a sling shot on the top rail above the scope where baby octosquids can be fired from.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm pretty sure we want a special octosquid targeting system. Why, your way seems like it could be an octosquid weapon!*

As for mailing stuff, you could also email yourself some stuff, or get a notary to sign documents you've produced in regards to the weapon.

As for the rifle - well, it'd be interesting to see a working firearm. I am curious as to how it's shorter with a longer barrel yet not a bullpup (for non-gun folks; a bullpup design is where the magazine/receiver is located behind the trigger, like the current British assault rifle). As far as I know, modular (interchangeable rifle/LMG/etc) systems are already possible with bullpup designs.

CR

*Okay, maybe firing their young from guns isn't what the octosquids would do. But we must be ever-vigilant in our hunt for octosquid collaborators! I suppose, since you propose using their children as ammunition, you aren't one.

[Jaguara]

As for mailing stuff, you could also email yourself some stuff, or get a notary to sign documents you've produced in regards to the weapon.

Don't rely on e-mail, they are too easily tampered with.

[PanzerJaeger]

@CR It is a modular weapons system that can be modified to fill the needs of assault rifle, sub-machine gun, PDW, light machine gun (using a slightly different open bolt design with a different feed system), and the design can also be used for sniper rifles. Right now we are concentrating on the basic assault rifle (ours is chambered for 7.62X51 NATO, but we also have the design for the same one in 5.56). As I said, it is my brother's gun, so I cannot say much about it, but it will have significantly less recoil than modern rifles, be much more compact AND have a much longer barrel, hold a potential for a far large magazine capacity, be completely ambidextrous, highly customizable, and far more convenient than either a standard stock rifle or a bull-pup.

To be honest, that sounds like one of a dozen new weapons systems already out there from the SCAR and LMT308MWS to the XCR and ACR.

First, if you and your brother really believe you have a game-changing weapon, get it patented - and do not show it to anyone in the industry beforehand. It is noble that you want to get it in service with the military as soon as possible, but it is also stupid. Even if you gave it to Colt tomorrow, it would be years before it gets adopted.

Once you've got it patented, you really have two options. You can shop the design around to various manufacturers, or you can shop it around to various venture capitalists and build a factory yourself. The former is the far easier option, but the latter is potentially more profitable.

If you want to see the thing in military service as soon as possible, selling the patent to an established major manufacturer (Colt, FN, Beretta, etc.) is pretty much your only option. The military weighs manufacturing capacity and competency heavily in the adoption process, and never goes with small time players - even if their designs are superior.

Speaking of the adoption process, I'm afraid your new weapon will have to be more revolutionary than what you've described so far to replace the AR. There have been plenty of new designs trialed that incrementally outperform it in nearly every respect, but the military seems to be holding out for something truly game-changing (think lasers, energy pulses, or other Star Wars type stuff). The XM8 was a non-starter as well as the SCAR-L(556 version), and they've made it clear that piston-ARs won't even get serious consideration outside of SOCOM.

You should read as much as you can about Robinson Arms and their XCR. Alex Robinson designed and built an excellent modular weapon system in 2004 and has both brought it to the civilian market and military trials. The company's troubles (quality control and customer service issues on the civilian side and being passed over despite beating the competition on the military side) are a testament to the difficulty independent weapon's designers have trying to break into the market.

Good luck.

[A Nerd]

When Vuks gun concept is accepted, he is going to shave his hair into a mohawk and start threatening/challenging himself in the mirror.

[Raz]

When Vuks gun concept is accepted, he is going to shave his hair into a mohawk and start threatening/challenging himself in the mirror.

hopefully he won't be compelled to save a beautiful young prostitute armed with nothing but his designs.

[Vuk]

As for mailing stuff, you could also email yourself some stuff, or get a notary to sign documents you've produced in regards to the weapon.

As for the rifle - well, it'd be interesting to see a working firearm. I am curious as to how it's shorter with a longer barrel yet not a bullpup (for non-gun folks; a bullpup design is where the magazine/receiver is located behind the trigger, like the current British assault rifle). As far as I know, modular (interchangeable rifle/LMG/etc) systems are already possible with bullpup designs.

CR

lol, that is what I mean by revolutionary. Hopefully I can spark the curiosity of the people at FN as well. lol

To be honest, that sounds like one of a dozen new weapons systems already out there from the SCAR and LMT308MWS to the XCR and ACR.

First, if you and your brother really believe you have a game-changing weapon, get it patented - and do not show it to anyone in the industry beforehand. It is noble that you want to get it in service with the military as soon as possible, but it is also stupid. Even if you gave it to Colt tomorrow, it would be years before it gets adopted.

Once you've got it patented, you really have two options. You can shop the design around to various manufacturers, or you can shop it around to various venture capitalists and build a factory yourself. The former is the far easier option, but the latter is potentially more profitable.

If you want to see the thing in military service as soon as possible, selling the patent to an established major manufacturer (Colt, FN, Beretta, etc.) is pretty much your only option. The military weighs manufacturing capacity and competency heavily in the adoption process, and never goes with small time players - even if their designs are superior.

Speaking of the adoption process, I'm afraid your new weapon will have to be more revolutionary than what you've described so far to replace the AR. There have been plenty of new designs trialed that incrementally outperform it in nearly every respect, but the military seems to be holding out for something truly game-changing (think lasers, energy pulses, or other Star Wars type stuff). The XM8 was a non-starter as well as the SCAR-L(556 version), and they've made it clear that piston-ARs won't even get serious consideration outside of SOCOM.

You should read as much as you can about Robinson Arms and their XCR. Alex Robinson designed and built an excellent modular weapon system in 2004 and has both brought it to the civilian market and military trials. The company's troubles (quality control and customer service issues on the civilian side and being passed over despite beating the competition on the military side) are a testament to the difficulty independent weapon's designers have trying to break into the market.

Good luck.

Actually, we designed the Auto-CAD prototype with the help of one of my brother's professors at his college, and we have emails back and forth about it, but the mailing thing sounds like a good idea too.
Stupid as it may be PJ, it would not be the first time that an important invention of my family's was used without us getting any credit or money from it, so I am simply following precedent. I realize that it would take years to get one the military would accept, and that then there would be the bidding/manufacturing, etc., and that is why we want to get it off as soon as possible.
Trust me, the Vector is quite a bit more 'revolutionary' (for the lack of a better word) than the SCAR or the XM8. As I said though, it is my brother's design, so I cannot say anymore.

[gaelic cowboy]

I dont really know anything about guns but have you done any Finite Element Analysis or anything to make sure the barrel does not bend or something mental like that???

[Vuk]

I dont really know anything about guns but have you done any Finite Element Analysis or anything to make sure the barrel does not bend or something mental like that???

We are only in the conceptual stage. Engineering can happen after we are given specific requirements. Also, we have not decided on some of the smaller design points yet, (esp concerning the trigger assembly...which we have several ideas for) but the basic concept is sound.

[Prussian to the Iron]

Trust me, the Vector is quite a bit more 'revolutionary' (for the lack of a better word) than the SCAR or the XM8. As I said though, it is my brother's design, so I cannot say anymore.

Don't know what to make of the rest of the thread, but you do know there is already a Vector out there right? might wanna consider a name change. like V-Ector. or something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TDI_Vector

[Vuk]

Don't know what to make of the rest of the thread, but you do know there is already a Vector out there right? might wanna consider a name change. like V-Ector. or something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TDI_Vector

Wow, what filthy thieves! They stoled my named!