Most dominant infantry in Europe

[athanaric]

Well I'm very good with the economy and I can actually afford bribing enemy armies and keeping ships at the same time, even with this faction. The important thing to remember is that EB economy requires careful management and that you should not build too many armies. It also really pays to use realistic armies instead of swordsmen spam.

[fomalhaut]

well according to this thread cost/benefit we should just have entire armies full of nothing but untrained adolescent males, die jugundiz :P

[moonburn]

herm athanaric we always have to sacrifice something particulary with the sweaboz we can´t have money developed city´s (as in constructing every turn) armies and navy´s normally and in my own personal experience we can only have 1 of those with sweaboz

we might have more with ptolomaiois seulekids or any balkan faction after they build the mines but with barbarians we normally can´t have it all both because mines aren´t enough for everything and because they can only build L1 mines (wich is ofc what i deslike the most about barbarians)

[Geticus]

well according to this thread cost/benefit we should just have entire armies full of nothing but untrained adolescent males, die jugundiz :P

I'm not really saying that, just that 3 and 4 chevron Jugundiz are the best basic core infantry troop in Europe due to the versatility of the skirmisher-spearman platform, their cost, and the power that comes from all the chevrons. I'm still curious what good Lusotannan players would say because I think that Luso Ambushers and Celtiberian javelineers have some advantages due to their huge numbers, but Jugundiz have the best price-point and 4 chevrons are very hard to beat.

So Jugundiz make IMO an optimal basic core building block of the army. Pure 3 or 4 chevron Jugundiz spam stacks are strong in themselves, 10 stacks of Jugundz are dirt cheap and they can conquer most any Eleutheroi city in Europe. But put say 6 Jugundz, 6 spearmen/swordsmen, 5-6 archer spearmen, an FM and a couple pikemen reserves and you have an extremely cost effective army with huge numbers that owns most cavalry and can surround and slaughter just about any infantry army. The numbers are just hard to deal with- 3,500 man (huge unit size) elite Sweboz infantry hordes based on Jugundiz are hard to beat. So if anything in Europe can deal with it I am all ears. Getai are great but they take a long time to really develop the Level 4 MICs and get the Thraikian peltasts going. Sweboz after the initial blitz all you need to conquer eleutheroi cities are cheap Jugundz and FMs. Mainly I think Romans played right with their high armor and shield ratings and good infantry cost/value might vie with the Sweboz for supreme infantry. Perhaps Lusos played right as well but they take a lot longer to max out their chevrons.

[TheLastDays]

Well, I never said, the AI is not doing "correct manouvers", I said, they never do anything better than a correct manouver, I mean, they never surprised me...

And, from what I can tell, the AI didn't get better when increasing the difficulty

[Ksifos]

In my Maks campaign having built the level 4 regional MIC in Singidunum, I got access to Boi swordsmen.These guys are 202 per unit, have 22 def and 13 att and cost only 300 mnai per season.Haven't used them yet but from the numbers they seem a real bargain.

[vollorix]

They are pretty cool, but have no "celtic longswords", instead they use 0.13 lethality kind of "gladius". They are disciplined, so no easy routing ( 11 morale ), but only "trained", with not so tough formation. Their attack is only "12", iirc, but their javeline range is longer than that of Botroas ( northern guys ). Imo, it´s the discipline that makes them quite unique, because even Milnaht are imetuous, though with much better morale value. The only "problem" is, once you are in the position to hire them playing a Celtic faction, you already own half of the Europe, except Iberia and Italy, perhaps, if you take it slowly. I can´t wait to play Boii in EB2, but actually it would be quite cool to replace Casse with Boii in EB1, imho ( more action, more opportunities, more fun! ).

[fomalhaut]

i just realized this in my now finished aedui campaign!
i was super disappointed to find that the Boii and Lugjowie are basically the 'end game' units. i loooove the boii swordsmen @Ksifos, not only are they versatile and dependable but they are probably the coolest looking swordsmen in the game besides Alpine (aedui skin with the cloak, so cool)