EB is not Historical?

[TotalWarlord]

I apologize to everyone that has been offended by this post. I had no intentions in anyway whatsoever to insult or mar the credibility of the EB Team as they made a very good job. All I can say is:
The EB team was right about the overhand method. However it also depended on the length of the spear the hoplite was equiped. Certainly a longer spear would be difficult to strike in the overhand fashion.

Well antisocialmunky I have been reading the responses from everyone who made a reply and was taking into perspective each ones opinion.

[fomalhaut]

hey totalwarlord, thank you for replying! just imagine from our perspective that someone's very first post was were the two very, very controversial topics.

[TotalWarlord]

fomalhaut I'm very sorry for the fact that these topics were very controversial for as you see I am very quite new here.

[Brennus]

fomalhaut I'm very sorry for the fact that these topics were very controversial for as you see I am very quite new here.

And your very welcome!

Btw, do you know what the Occultus faction represents, we don't have a clue.

[The_Blacksmith]

fomalhaut I'm very sorry for the fact that these topics were very controversial for as you see I am very quite new here.

Its okay, i was quite confused when i started playing EB, but the over-hand under-hand thing IMHO is a question of where the hoplite is from, for example: the Syracusian hoplites fought in loose formations and that favours the underhand thrust where the interlocked "shieldwall" of main greece favours the overhand

[Rahwana]

just calm down and take your seat

[Skullheadhq]

I came, I saw, I lol'ed

[Atraphoenix]

I came, I saw, I lol'ed

I just stopped reading after seeing lorica......

[Julianus]

I believe overhand thrust makes more sense in an interlocked shieldwall formation, which is more prevalent in Hellenic world, but then I'm not so sure how to explain the fact that most wounds suffered in hoplite battles were in the thighs which I read in quite a few books. I mean, how could you strike at the other guy's thighs which are under his aspis with your spear-hand above your own aspis?

[fomalhaut]

explained easily; what's the best place to make sure someone who is running away (with all their fancy equipment to take for yourself) can't get back up? stab them in the leg.

most casualities took place during the rout, and the thigh is a big juicy target for ending someones combat effectiveness and their ability to keep running away.

[moonburn]

well i´m a big defender of push them make them fall and them trample them and since they had a helmet and a shield to protect their body ... as someone stated there´s plenty of evidences of many shields with marks resembling the counterbalance part of a spear meaning they got rustled down and then beaten up nicely phalanx style

[Julianus]

Admittedly, when you pursuit some one in full flight, it's only natural to stab him in the thigh, especially if he happens to wear a bronze cuirass. But then the wound would be in the back of the thighs, while I'm under the impression that many wounds were in the front of the thighs, inflicted in toe-to-toe combat. I could be wrong, as I can't check it since I don't have any book by hand. But there's one instance I'm fairly certain, that Archidamos, the Spartan king, was seriously wounded in one thigh ( in fact that thigh got run through by a spear ), while he was receiving a furious charge of the Arcadians in the first rank of Spartan phalanx. Perhaps this suggests that in a charge the phalanx would employ a looser formation and charge with their spears holding at waist level, I imagine it would be easier to keep your balance while running and generate more momentum this way, maybe some reenactors have tested it?