games junk and l call it like it is and ca dont like it..lmao

[Kocmoc]

We need a new definition of what the community is and how useful Tournaments are like the CWC.

I want to add here, the heavy asked chat/foyer, which is now there (actual useless liek it is), but not used at all.

There are maybe "many" player, but this isnt a community at all, most people dont know each other, tons of so called "clans" where half of them hit alt-f4 or use artillery.
I think that the Org and also some of the "oldtimer" lost contact to what they call community.

Here at the org isnt the online community, its mostly some old player from the old days, thats it. The structure of the org is too hard to enter for those many new player, who like it a lot easier.

A tourney like CWC will mostly just get old guys involved, it will provide some fun for a small group of the S2-playerbase, but i doubt that it wont hit a big part of the community. We are split all over the internet, some are here, some are on the net, some are on the com and everywhere people pop up and behave as they would exactly know whats going on.

The game is crap! The basics, the potential is good, no doubt. But with the heavy problems we have online, the game lost so much, that you hardly can call it any good.
Its seen everywhere, people complain full time...

Now we have here a handful of player, who like to play hosted battles and play vs. each other all the time. Good for you, enjoy it, but dont think that you reflect the community of S2! You dont!

The majority, which kinda build is the community, wants MM battles and ranked fights, ladder or clancampaigns.
I myself want to play quick battles, fight with my vets and the army i like to play with online and gain ranking in the ladder.
You and other want different things, fine. People are different, thats human nature.

I just look online, see a trend and that isnt the old system with CWC or CWB or whatever!

CA is in charge here, they have the potential and the masses! I would like to see XFire battles with the best ranked player online.

[CanCritter]

wondering if l can use those 2 points CA gave me to use on my skills tree for Verbal Banter
theres no stopping quiters but with a ban feature l shure could wittle them down to the point lm not getting 4-5 quiters in row

[Chimpyang]

We need a new definition of what the community is and how useful Tournaments are like the CWC....

There are some very interesting points that you raise here Kocmoc.

I would counter with:
1. We paid for the game as well as the majority not here (that speak rightly speak of as more the community of this game), one of the features advertised was the ability to play classic battles. This feature of the game has proven to be bugged to date, and it would be nice to get a fix for it. Regardless of how we like to use it.

2. Chat isn't dead, everyone's very shy to actually type something. I started a conversation the other day by asking if people could see my hosted battle, and once the icebreaker was made, people got involved etc...now I've yet to see circa 100 people in chat at any one time (which IIRC was the average number when I used to log onto MTW and MTW VI), but if we can foster some conversation, it might just ease things along a bit.

3. Regarding rankings, I would much rather see CA adopt a transparent ELO based scoring system for MM matches. The ethos of 'reward EVERYBODY' and let them ALL achieve is flawed in my view. As is the alt-f4 ragequit ladder manipulation. IMO, to play competitively should also incur the risk of losing appropriate ranking points in the face of a loss. My other fave interim RTS - RUSE, adopted something like this, but only externally in steam, and I far more care about my ELO score than my ingame 'level' as it is a truer reflection of my skill within the community.

I have no problem with MM, it's innovative and offers a new experience to MP, however, given the fevered pageanting to the old crowd with classic battles. It would be nice to see a fix to this parallel MP feature before long.

[Dionysus9]

Haha, good one Critter. And good points Chimpyang and Kocmoc. The bottom line is that CA has all the power to bring this community together by fixing the game. If they can fix it with a good patch or two, then the community will thrive. If they dont fix it, we'll continue to see little pockets of people who are able to squeeze some fun out of it with a lot of effort, patience, and downtime. We could have the best community site of any game, and if the game stinks, the community site will be dead. This is completely in CA's hands now. I wish them the best of luck in resolving the many issues with the MP side.

[Hunter KIng George]

The chat/foyer and the inability to see all games is killing the community. Having most of the guys here as friends and able to see them log on or off is just not enough.

I enjoy playing with my clan members but I also very much enjoy playing with and versus the Aggonies, RW's, Heerbanns or any veteran players or clans that I once shared the battlefield many moons ago. The present system makes it very difficult.

It is frustrating not to see ALL games hosted. I have yet to play with King or Kocmoc, or even the legendary Warman. :P

If they fix that then we as a community have a great chance to come together... we may also be able to control the cowards from quitting at least to a minimum.

Just as in the old days... if you are not willing to play by the rules, you will be branded as a quitter and not allowed to play any reindeer games with the rest.

[AggonyKing]

you know where to find me your highness

although these days I been busy playing Football Manager 2011 >_> blame Ducky :D

[Nikodil]

I'm not entirely sure that CA thinks it has the incentive to support a thriving MP community. Their customer base has always been the SPers and recent efforts are ment to bring the SPers online (the so called Massively Singleplayer Online genre). Perhaps to provide an alternative to the AI opponent. Their business model seems to be base on DLC. While the avatar conquest thing supports that model, classic mode with fair and equal game play really does not. So even though they bring the majority of players online, it looks like the conflict with the solitary SPer and the social MPers will remain.

[Swoosh So]

Well imo unless matchmaker is vastly improved i think we will see a slow gradual return to the ntw style community, if they fix the foyer that would be sweet i see like 1 friend maximum in the public foyer cause its broken up, i have over 100 friends that play totalwar on my list. The cwc will do just fine im sure it was thriving in all releases and doing well in NTW people are just having tunnel vision for the ladders at the moment because its new but theres really no skill in climbing it so i doubt it will stay popular for long.

Mike i think you belittle (not in a nasty way) the CWC somewhat it was doing well in NTW and i dont see any reason why it should not be sucessful in stw2, Ofc maybe u dont know much about it at the moment since u have been afk a long time from totalwar but theres already 42 clans registered for the CWC Spring games. Thats alot of clan players willing to give it a bash and personally i cant wait for the start will be so much fun to face better quality players in a tournament setting than this ladder nub farming. Theres clans from all sites involved in the cwc i see regulars from the .com from the twc and the org in the signups.

Sure its going to take some thinking to get a balanced rule set with the current game but i believe its well doable espcially if we go the route of no vet games using the avatar mode. I suggest tomisawa starts some online meetings with most of the involved clans to discuss with them what may be a balanced rule set. Im certainly ready to provide my input if needed.