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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Indeed, it's not the same quality. Modern pop music is far betteer, I agree. Mozart had a thousand other composer to beat if he wanted to be considered the best. Lady GaGa has to beat millions to get to the top. In the modern age, we have also figured out that it's OK to cooperate with others to create art. Mozart was alone inh his basement, a modern artist works with a huge team.

    And when all is said and done; if you could offer Mozart a modern mega-hit, like Bad or Pokerface, would he take it? Of course he would. He was an artist, and his mission was to make other people happy. Bad and pokerface makes people happy, millions of them in fact, and I'm pretty sure Mozart would've seen the value in that, instead of snobbing it.
    So you are saying classical music was written for the happiness of the masses, and not the nobility? The main motivation for classical music and modern pop was more likely making money, it just came from a select group of people back then. Progress means we all subsidise the lives of "artists" now.

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    So you are saying classical music was written for the happiness of the masses, and not the nobility? The main motivation for classical music and modern pop was more likely making money, it just came from a select group of people back then. Progress means we all subsidise the lives of "artists" now.
    In what alternative universe is the taste of a bunch of inbred twits(the nobility) better than that of functional humans?
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    In what alternative universe is the taste of a bunch of inbred twits(the nobility) better than that of functional humans?
    Probably the same universe where you don't totally miss my point.

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    Probably the same universe where you don't totally miss my point.
    Ah.

    I like being in that universe. It's so cozy......
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    In what alternative universe is the taste of a bunch of inbred twits(the nobility) better than that of functional humans?
    I would rather be ruled by the nobility then by the people. Here, I said it.
    Oh, and compare songs like 'La donna é mobile' and 'O sole mio' with today's songs, comparisations like these make me sad. And these two songs aren't even that old. And I do think some of today's singers can sing it good, but they don't produce good music today.
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    Your subjective opinion.

    That's all there is. Personally, I find both of them to be crap. But that's my subjective opinon. Psonally, I consider The Song Remains The Same the greatest song ever produced. But that's my personal opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Your subjective opinion.

    That's all there is. Personally, I find both of them to be crap. But that's my subjective opinon. Psonally, I consider The Song Remains The Same the greatest song ever produced. But that's my personal opinion.
    What else than subjective opinion there is on this subject? Over smaak valt niet te twisten.
    Oh, and anything containing electrical guitars doesn't qualify as music. But that's just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullheadhq View Post
    I would rather be ruled by the nobility then by the people. Here, I said it.
    Oh, and compare songs like 'La donna é mobile' and 'O sole mio' with today's songs, comparisations like these make me sad. And these two songs aren't even that old. And I do think some of today's singers can sing it good, but they don't produce good music today.
    You've backtracked somewhat from MY CULTURE IS DEAAAAAAAAAAAAD

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    Oh, and anything containing electrical guitars doesn't qualify as music. But that's just my opinion.
    Unfortunately, I can't bang my head against the wall and post this response at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullheadhq View Post
    but they don't produce good music today.
    Ya uh-huh, just disregard 99.99999% out of a hundred

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    Ya uh-huh, just disregard 99.99999% out of a hundred
    Are you saying 99.99999% of today's music is good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullheadhq View Post
    Are you saying 99.99999% of today's music is good?
    No 99.999999999999999999% isn't old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullheadhq View Post
    I would rather be ruled by the nobility then by the people.
    What's the big difference other than that nobility happen to have certain parents and don't have as much job insecurity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noncommunist View Post
    What's the big difference other than that nobility happen to have certain parents and don't have as much job insecurity?
    Upbringing.

    The Queen of England believes it is her God-ordained duty to rule, but not her right. At its best the nobility embodies an idea of service that modern career politicians do not even echo, though they increasingly indulge in all the nobility's vices.
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    Upbringing.

    The Queen of England believes it is her God-ordained duty to rule, but not her right. At its best the nobility embodies an idea of service that modern career politicians do not even echo, though they increasingly indulge in all the nobility's vices.
    How is serving the people because God told you to do so better than serving the people because the people said so? And wouldn't an upbringing among the people be of more help in serving them than an upbringing far removed from anything the common people experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside View Post
    And the rest 99.9999% of the time when they aren't at their best?
    That depends on what you value, doesn't it?

    Take Prince Charles for example, he was behind organic farming and environmentalism decades before any major elected politician. Yet people deride him for being stupid because, like many middle aged men, he has largish ears.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noncommunist View Post
    How is serving the people because God told you to do so better than serving the people because the people said so? And wouldn't an upbringing among the people be of more help in serving them than an upbringing far removed from anything the common people experience?
    Well, one is an obligation, a duty, and the other is a choice. Remember, politicians actively seek power, most (Western) monarchs don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Upbringing.

    The Queen of England believes it is her God-ordained duty to rule, but not her right. At its best the nobility embodies an idea of service that modern career politicians do not even echo, though they increasingly indulge in all the nobility's vices.
    And the rest 99.9999% of the time when they aren't at their best?
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noncommunist View Post
    What's the big difference other than that nobility happen to have certain parents and don't have as much job insecurity?
    Many nobleman have a good education, the people usually don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullheadhq View Post
    Many nobleman have a good education, the people usually don't.
    Certainly, there are some spots where education for the masses can be improved but for the most part, the masses have a decent education. Plus, anyone clever enough to do well as a politician can probably become educated if necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullheadhq View Post
    Many nobleman have a good education, the people usually don't.
    I have a better education then Prince Harry and Prince William. Should I take their place in line to the throne?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    I have a better education then Prince Harry and Prince William. Should I take their place in line to the throne?
    I am Dutch, If one of us is to take the throne of England it should be me.

    and you =/= the entire population.
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