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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...duekoue-gbagbo

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    Who is Laurent Gbagbo?

    Born to a Catholic family in 1945, Gbagbo, below, studied at the Sorbonne in Paris and became a history professor. A pro-democracy activist, he served time in prison and was rewarded with the presidency in 2000. He has two wives.
    I find it interesting that he's a "pro-democracy activist", yet he refuses to step down when he loses the election. I guess he's only pro-democracy if he's the one who gets to be in charge.

    A pretty bad situation, and it's not encouraging that the rebels are committing atrocities on civilians. Another news article I read made it seem to me like the UN and France were siding with the rebels, I think they would be better off not choosing sides, even if Outtara was supposed to be the winner of the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuchip View Post
    I find it interesting that he's a "pro-democracy activist", yet he refuses to step down when he loses the election. I guess he's only pro-democracy if he's the one who gets to be in charge.
    Those were my thoughts exactly. I had to re-read the article like 3 times to make sure I had read it correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuchip View Post
    I find it interesting that he's a "pro-democracy activist", yet he refuses to step down when he loses the election. I guess he's only pro-democracy if he's the one who gets to be in charge.
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    I would suggest that the tragedy in the Ivory Coast deserves more than a one-line throw away.

    You are indeed right, however, that much of the world's media have been notably quiet on the matter.

    The civil war there appears to have entered the endgame, with Gbagbo apparently suing with the UN for peace - or at least, for some degree of protection. I understand that French forces have been involved with some targeted strikes against the "government" forces. However, there are also reports that Gbagbo has changed his mind about surrender.

    Since both the UN and France are there (perhaps someone could refer me to the authorisation for the French strikes - does it derive from the UN mandate?) the question about intervention is moot. What do Orgahs think will emerge from this vicious internal conflict? Will the southern support for Gbago be punished by the northern alliance that has brought Ouattara to the presidency - a legitimate but divisive win?

    And should the BBC Radio 4 news presenter who last night compared the situation in Ivory Coast with George Bush's controversial 2000 election win, be locked naked in the stocks with a radish up his fundament?
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    Another colony that after throwing off Evil Oppression from Europeans to go its own independent way to the future... wants the Europeans to come in, sort everything out, police them and sort out the country.

    Having one's cake and eating it comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Another colony that after throwing off Evil Oppression from Europeans to go its own independent way to the future... wants the Europeans to come in, sort everything out, police them and sort out the country.

    Having one's cake and eating it comes to mind.

    You are born into a violent world of exploitation, no doubt some will continue the trend

    Europe, as always, has blood on its hands
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    You are born into a violent world of exploitation, no doubt some will continue the trend

    Europe, as always, has blood on its hands
    No it doesn't. We didn't do this..... I didn't do this.
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    I wonder why nobody has picked up on the would-be dictator that's slaughtering people to stay in power is christian, while the democratically elected president is muslim.




    Yes, that was sarcasm. I know fully well that the european right consists of hypocritical fanatics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    No it doesn't. We didn't do this..... I didn't do this.
    Well of course you didn't. I'm not going to ask you to pay reperations or even give aid just drop the high mighty "Afirca is bad because of Africans, lolz now they are coming back cuz they are being genocided." When these men were born into a violent exploitative world brought own by Euro imperialists
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost View Post
    I would suggest that the tragedy in the Ivory Coast deserves more than a one-line throw away.

    You are indeed right, however, that much of the world's media have been notably quiet on the matter.

    The civil war there appears to have entered the endgame, with Gbagbo apparently suing with the UN for peace - or at least, for some degree of protection. I understand that French forces have been involved with some targeted strikes against the "government" forces. However, there are also reports that Gbagbo has changed his mind about surrender.

    Since both the UN and France are there (perhaps someone could refer me to the authorisation for the French strikes - does it derive from the UN mandate?) the question about intervention is moot. What do Orgahs think will emerge from this vicious internal conflict? Will the southern support for Gbago be punished by the northern alliance that has brought Ouattara to the presidency - a legitimate but divisive win?
    I think it's absolutely the right thing to do, and it sets the right precedant, unlike Gadaffi. The man lost a democratic election, but having been given ten months grace the local populace and the UN have lost patience, so now he faces helicopter gunships. This was the right point for the UN to intervene, rather than 20-40 years later.

    And should the BBC Radio 4 news presenter who last night compared the situation in Ivory Coast with George Bush's controversial 2000 election win, be locked naked in the stocks with a radish up his fundament?
    Can we make it an onion, and can we nail his ears to the headboard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    I think it's absolutely the right thing to do, and it sets the right precedant, unlike Gadaffi. The man lost a democratic election, but having been given ten months grace the local populace and the UN have lost patience, so now he faces helicopter gunships. This was the right point for the UN to intervene, rather than 20-40 years later.
    Yea I want to take back my second statement saying the UN shouldn't pick sides, it was late at night and I was tired when I wrote that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost View Post
    Since both the UN and France are there (perhaps someone could refer me to the authorisation for the French strikes - does it derive from the UN mandate?)
    The republic has a universal right to intervene on behalf of human rights and liberty. Anywhere, anytime, to the ends of the world.


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