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    Default Veteran upgrade & Clan specialization - advanced

    Most battles are played at 10, 14 or 22k. Without good veterans you will be doomed.
    There are basic thoughts about what you need and what you should have. To ensure, you can keep going and field a similar army every time, you will need your base setup twice.

    As example: If you field 3x lvl5 loan swords, than you need at least 6 vets of these kind.
    With only 43 veterans it is quite difficult to ensure to have base armies ready with just 43 vets.
    Especially at 22k the whole thing becomes quite a problem.


    We have 4 different clanspecializations:

    1. Cav
    2. Bow
    3. Spear
    4. Sword

    We have 4 different main advances/abilities:

    1. Inspire
    2. Bansai
    3. Hold firm
    4. increased bow-range

    These clan-specials are determined to the different clan-specializations. So can only a cav clan put bansai and/or inspire on a cav.
    Same goes for spears or swords, you need to be a member of a spear clan, to put bansai, inspire or hold firm on a spear unit.


    Important: These abilities can be put on units already at lvl 5 (you have to spent at least 4 points in the upper window), but this can bug!
    The mouseover say "lvl9" and if you put that on a unit below lvl 9, it can bug. This means, you have a lvl 5 unit, pay 120 extra for the clan-skill, spent 20 clantokens, but wont have the ability.



    Clan specialization.

    The clan specialization is set by the first one who ever is online from one clan (steamgrp). You will be asked what to choose and than you choose and set the clan. If you want a certain specialization, than make sure YOU are the person who is first online or the guy who is online first KNOW what you want to have him choose!

    You cant just change the specialization, you only can do that, if you leave the clan and "join" a new clan ingame.
    If you do that, you will lose any "clanspecial" ability, the points will disappear and the costs as well.

    Note. You actual DONT lose the clan-specialization if you leave you current clan, you only lose it, if you change it in game!
    So you could just leave your current Steam-group and still be in the same clan in game. Its all done in game, there you can always choose the different clans.


    Cav As cav-clan you have the option to put inspire and/or bansai on a cav.
    It is actual pretty hard to get Cav-units to lvl 9 if you play normal online.
    Cav clan is strong, there is a little problem with the different units, since you hardly will see many light cav in high fund games, the Katana-cav is hardly used, bow-cav is hardly used (bow-cav is rather in the "Bow-clan" section) and Great Guard you can only field 2 at max.
    This said, you are pretty much down to Yari cav only.

    Bow Bow-clan is weak imo, all you can get is increased range and rally for your bow-hero.
    25 extra range is not bad, but with Monk-bows who get the 25 range for free, the extra range for other bows (who can get only to 175 max) is questionable. If the Bow-clan would ensure, that you can get best bows, than it would be powerful, but with units who crack that off, Bow makes less sense.

    Spear Spear-clan is strongest right now, especially with Monks and naginatas being spears as well. A Monk can get Bansai and inspire, thats a heavy boost.

    Note: Hold Firm isnt working right now, it seems completely bugged.

    As Spear-clan you get your hands on the cheapest "inspire-bot" in game, the ashi. This unit will cost you 569 Koku (with 10 and 5% retainer). That is 2x defense, 2x attack and inspire. If Hold Firm would work, You probably will put that on this spear as well.

    Spears got many good units, every single unit is good and used and you can get your hands on every single ability!

    Sword Sword-clan is strong as well, you get 3 Sword units, Loan sword, Katana sam and No-Dachi. You can get bansai with each of it as Sword-clan. Bansai has the big advance of a quick apply once the battle started, while inspire is more micro.

    What does what?

    Inspire is an ability which you have to select and than click on a unit. It raise accuracy, reload skill and the melee stats. It is very effective on missle units.

    Bansai gives a +7 Attack to the unit who use it, it also boosts the charge, the speed and the moral. It seems, that the unit becomes unroutable while bansai is up. The big advance is, you can very quick put bansai up on many of your units (as long they got it).

    Bow range is useful. It gives you 25 more range, it may sound quite good in the first place, but if you consider monk archer with a 175 range and maxed to 200 (without bow-clan) the whole bowclan ability is not that good anymore.
    I would like to mention the bow-cav here, a bowcav with 175 range can be extreme dangerous, but only till the moment, where the enemy got a 175 range unit on its own or use 200 range units. All in all, bow-clan seems weakest to me as it is right now.



    Important Upgrades

    I will work on this list and add units and upgrades with time, if you got suggestions or have experience with upgrades, than please add your findings.

    Monk-bows: lvl 5 with accuracy, reload, whistling + range = a 200 range unit, with up to 70 reload, 70 accuracy (1209 Koku)
    ashi-spear: lvl 5 with 2x attack, 2x defense + inspire (spear-clan) = around 8 defense, 8 attack and inspire ability (569 Koku)
    Ashi-gun: lvl 5 with accuracy, reload + rapid shot = average reload and accuracy + rapid shot (569 Koku)
    Last edited by Kocmoc; 04-15-2011 at 11:45.

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    Default Re: Veteran upgrade & Clan specialization - advanced

    I am a big fan of spending my clan tokens on siege upgrades. :) Especially fire rockets! Pew pew pew, go go sengoku artillery!

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    I was wondering if anyone had put together a comprehensive guide on what the exact stat effects of all the different vet upgrades do as it is kind of annoying that we can't see that in advance.


    EDIT: Just noticed the other thread you made... sorry.
    Last edited by 00owl; 04-18-2011 at 04:52.

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    Default Re: Veteran upgrade & Clan specialization - advanced

    Quote Originally Posted by 00owl View Post
    I was wondering if anyone had put together a comprehensive guide on what the exact stat effects of all the different vet upgrades do as it is kind of annoying that we can't see that in advance.


    EDIT: Just noticed the other thread you made... sorry.
    Im not done with that yet, but yes, I started a tread with those informations. Once I got some spare time left, I will finish it.

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    Default Re: Veteran upgrade & Clan specialization - advanced

    R the main clan upgrades worth it now if u gotta spend 8 points to get them? rather expensive

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    Default Re: Veteran upgrade & Clan specialization - advanced

    Quote Originally Posted by FasT View Post
    R the main clan upgrades worth it now if u gotta spend 8 points to get them? rather expensive
    I did some math and also tests. Till some point, yes, its worth it.
    My ashi has hold firm and costs me 779 Koku, which is actual still a good price, if you consider the stats and the ability it gives.

    Bansai and inspire is very questionable now, it can only work with cheap units, such as ashi, loan sword or light cav. Other units will be too expensive to get such an ability on it.

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    Nice guides Koc - gives a good overview if you want to start MP as Beginner or as TW exp. player to start Shogon 2.

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    Hashy is it u from our old wow guild?

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    Hey Fast m8, yep its me.

    Give me a shout on steam if you wanna play some S2.

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    Yo buddy ;) sure thing , waiting for next patch, bugs tO addressed then will start playing lvling up :p
    What's ur steam id? will add u but I'm only home at weekends , work commitments :(

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