Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Diamondeye]

See, look when Diamondeye wants somebody to gag Earthling every night. See what he's doing? He's trying to post what everyone can agree to so that he passes by the radar easier. Classic DE scum behavior.

Lies! I am serious about Earthling. I don't want him dead. I just want him silent. Because if he's dead it might not be possible to silence him!

Pah. You people already know I'm scummy every single game.

This - see below.

Renata. You are doing a great job in slipping away from spotlight.

Agreed.

It's not just a kitten. It's the cutest kitten ever, and if you stare at it long enough, you lose your soul.

Seriously it is the worst form of interrogation I have ever faced (yes worse than ATPG's barrages!). That kitten... How can you not confess all your secrets to such an innocent and adorable cutesy?
See: DE is Qui-Gon in Sigurd's Star Wars Game, DE is neutral in BL's NotW game, etc... It never fails!

Nope, haven't lost my soul yet.

Au revoir, my dear scummers, then.

... Guaranteed scum being replaced by guaranteed scum? I'm on to you!

[Beskar]

That depends. Am I still allowed to wear white after all those naughty PMs?

Sure, but it has to be washed linen.

[Beskar]

Beskar, I love you in this game.

You've got that awesome "don't give a " attitude that always makes things more fun.

fold; bet 1: Chaotix

Something is up, you are sucking up to me... I'll rip the secrets from your very soul!

[Renata]

Sure, but it has to be washed linen.

Deal. Meet me in Vegas.

[Renata]

Seriously it is the worst form of interrogation I have ever faced (yes worse than ATPG's barrages!). That kitten... How can you not confess all your secrets to such an innocent and adorable cutesy?
See: DE is Qui-Gon in Sigurd's Star Wars Game, DE is neutral in BL's NotW game, etc... It never fails!

Step into my lair, sweet boy, you know you want to.

Too bad about that pesky no-reveals rule.

[El Barto]

Seriously it is the worst form of interrogation I have ever faced (yes worse than ATPG's barrages!). That kitten... How can you not confess all your secrets to such an innocent and adorable cutesy?

I'm immune to that kitteh. Perhaps it is because of Mithridatism. (Ah, the good old days when I changed my avatar to a kitteh on every Friday a few minutes before midnight…)
But seriously, how can this dialogue happen?

-hey, it's half an hour to update, what's your role?
answer me, tell the truth
-why should I? It's Night One, there's absolutely no proof of your innocence, why should I tell you anything?
- <----------look at kitteh
-why should I look at kitteh?
-because kitteh is cute
-kitteh is wha- ooooohhhh… pretty… fluffy… I'm the town's only one true prophet and we're taking a chance having pizza protect Csargo while I scan johnhughthom and then…
-Good. You shall die tonight.
-WHAT?
-just look at kitteh and relax, ttyl

Seriously!

... Guaranteed scum being replaced by guaranteed scum? I'm on to you!

What is this I don't even

Step into my lair, sweet boy, you know you want to.

Too bad about that pesky no-reveals rule.

She's not that strong! You can do it, DE!

[Major Robert Dump]

Are you sure about all this? That civplayah didn't have any credits? That's odd because he would have to have spent ALL is credits last night, to the last credits... However his previous votes were:

Day 1 - no vote - lost 1 credit.
Day 2 - no vote - lost 1 credit.

And his income would have been 20 credits, thus leaving him with 100 starting credits + 18 others = 118. Explain to me how you can spend exactly 118 credits in two nights actions? It's impossible.

I cannot find any reasonable explanation for civplayah having exactly 0 credit when you tried to steal him. Can you?

Even if he had 8 credits left, you would have stolen them all, on a successful attempt of stealing more.

Also, if anything, other players will also have tried to steal his credits, for being inactive, just like you did, and to me that's a better explanation for him having no, or only a few credits, than him spending it all on night actions.

And there's this, his only post in the game:

I'll be damned if this looks like a mafia role.

Very poor case on civplayah. I'm wondering if you even thought about all this. Clearly you didn't check his post to validate your case.

When you tried to steal civplayah, did you get a confirmation that he had NO credit? Could it be a failed attempt?

Honestly I'm not sure if I believe your failed attempt. I'm going to confirm with ATPG if income credits are given AFTER night actions, and if they are, it means you are possibly lying because civplayah should have had at least 9 credits on him when you tried to pickpocket him (10 from income, -1 from not voting, if he ended yesterday with 0 credits, for whatever reason).

First, there are multiple scenarios under which he could have had zero credits, to include being stolen from himself, spending credits, and stealing credits from others. The ration is 1 to 4.

Second, I did read his post. It was short and to the point, and it means nothing to me until he is actually replaced by the host for being inactive. So don't bother accusing me of not checking his post because I did, as that is the whole reason I tried to steal from him to begin with.

And third, I never even voted for the guy, I just made a hypothesis that it turns out might not be true. Welcome to mafia. And if he does get lynched, big Effin deal, he's not participating in the game and that saves someone who is active from getting lynched, as the banter and chat from the people playing here is far more entertaining that what the lurkers are doing.

As for all this talk of scanning, faction scans do very little other than add fire to the faction-on-faction war. Detective scans are what we need, and those are expensive, unless there is an item. People talking about "typical townie behavior" and "odd remarks" is laughable, you sound like the really crummy cops who accuse people of being on drugs because they act nervous around cops.

I'm still examining item votes and will likley make my decisions late in the turn once the host has posted an evening roll-up.

[Renata]

Well here's the case against ACIN as presented by the Kitteh of Doom.

Bet: 1 credit on Renata.

Well, OK, day one random vote, not susp ...

Forgot to mention it was random.org.

Oh.

LOL. I'm glad I am getting some good lulz before I get killed on the first night like always.

Only time I remember that happening you were actually scum with me.

Wait, so let me get this straight. We already killed a mafia by day 2, because of a retribution kill? Are these retribution abilities like landmines for the mafia, if they try to kill the wrong person, they will be unlucky enough to be killed in the process?

Glad you're so concerned about the mafia's precious bodily fluids. Now comes the fun stuff.

Bet: 5 credits on Renata But I would like to hear from her first before a bandwagon starts. I have a calculus midterm today, and a chem midterm on Monday. So my appearance will be spotty unless I decide to massively procrastinate.

As Zack pointed out, that 5 credits pretty much WAS my bandwagon at that point in time, so the whole "would like to hear from her first" stuff is just a wee bit gratuitous. Second, this is the first of many posts regarding how much time ACIN has or doesn't have or will have or won't have to play the game properly.

Ok, I don't mean to sound like an ***, (I just got back from my calc midterm and I am not in a good mood), but I only put 5 cred on her because I can't follow up on this game as much as I would like this weekend, and I already abandoned Beskar's mafia game for school work because I was inactive. You want me to change it, fine, fold; Bet 5 credits on Zack.

There you go.

Weak unvote under pressure coupled with pointless OMGUS, and more OOG references.

If people reading this pay attention to no other post, pay attention to this one. The kitteh compels you to.

OK back from studying for a quick post. Fold; Bet: 5 credits on YLC

I am switching my vote because Renata's posts seems to make sense to me from a quick glance. It's the hear no evil, see no evil, monkey thing. Obviously there must be some sort of restriction going on for her otherwise she would post...like a normal person I guess is what I want to say. Good picture to get the message across.

So a scan thinks YLC is scummy and right now I think that is the best thing we got. I will be back once tomorrow to check in and then monday I have my chemistry midterm so I will be away until late monday.

So he's switching his vote because *my* speak-no-evil post made sense to him. Only he's not voting me, is he? He's voting for Zack. So he's not actually changing his vote for the reason he says he is. Second, the scan was bogus. I still don't know exactly what was up with that or whether ACIN should have realized it, but still. And third, SO MUCH EXPLAINING. Of his unvote (which has the bonus of being completely false). Of his reason for only having a couple of minutes. Of his vote for YLC. Of when he'll be around next. All of it needs this protective barrier of fluffy words. It's a cornucopeia of over-explanation.

I'm sorry about that. I was just pissed at a midterm I just took.

Response to mythmonster commenting on the OMGUS Zack vote, which incidentally comes about an hour after the last post.

Silliness aimed at Earthling the next day, and the follow-ups:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You seem to be a lot of talk, but how do we know if you are legit, huh?

Here's a question for you Earthling, if you are such a muffin enthusiast, what is your favorite kind? Speak wisely here.

(snip Zack comment about handshaking)

LOL LITTLE BROTHER TRYING TO PLAY IN THE BIG BOY GAME.

(snip Earthling response to above silliness)

I just wanted a funny response man. No signaling of anything. People take this game way too seriously (cue my anger at what's-his-face earlier).

(snip Zack pointing out that he was the what's-his-face)

LOL so you were What's-his-face! Maybe try reading my posts fully before you comment!

/tribesman

(snip Earthling-provided funny picture)

YES THIS IS AMAZING.

(snip of Zack saying he'd eat his hat if ACIN isn't chaotic or other scum)

Pics of the hat or get out of here.

Also, do you really not know my playing style?

(response to Earthling saying good luck on exam)

Oh thank you! This was a healthy break from studying and I knew nothing would be happening right now so I figured might as well make some people laugh by being typical ACIN. Might post much later tonight with something more serious if Renata and Dump post something.

Here's the thing, ACIN. Not giving a flip is your style. Day two was not "not giving a flip". It was "trying to be serious-mafia-player-scum-hunter" and not doing too well at it. So all of this? Jokes and laughs, giving people a hard time for taking you or anything else seriously? Sort of rather comes off as just trying too hard to swing the pendulum back the other way, back to your normal self. All of these posts, plus the next one, come in a period of about 45 minutes. A nice concentrated dose of "silly ACIN".

(snip Zack calling the last post a bad cop-out)

It's actually quite a good cop out since...well I don't mean to toot my own horn but I kind of made an epic play in the star wars mafia game. One that no one really expected, probably because it was so stupid, but that is neither here nor there.

If we want to talk about bad cop outs, lets talk about yours. specifically your lack of a cop out completely in regard to showing pics of this "big hat" of yours.

I have no idea what this is in reference to, and it doesn't matter.

Two days later (Tuesday night), shortly before the night two write-up is posted, three posts about time zone nomenclature. I'll skip those.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Retaliation is screwing up everyone from chaotic faction to serial killers. By the 5th night, there is only going to be like 2 mafia dudes left afraid to do anything out of fear of retaliation.

More on retaliation, though this one comes off a bit better as being genuinely lulzy about it. Of course, it was a serial killer dying this time.

Vote: WOLFEN FIGHTER ITEM for myself.

Now that my midterms are over, I can get involved in this game for a good 2 weeks before my next round of tests.

Points out he'll be around. Wants the investigation item.

After this post come the bets from Zack, GE, and me.

(snip fluffy picture)

<3 Will make a detailed post in about...2.5 hours when I'm done with uni stuff.

Promises upcoming response. Trying to keep further accusations at bay? More OOG explanations.

(snip Zack saying ACIN confronted him in private and dropped f-bombs, etc)

And now you are taking me out of context. Whatever man.

I'm not sure what this post said originally; it was edited.

I sent Zack a PM so before you all bandwagon me, let him read it first.

Honestly guys, this is the 4th mafia game in a row where I am accused of being scummy within the first 4 days and people bandwagon me to death. I haven't played a real game since Star Wars Mafia.

Do you want me to change my playing style? Because I have been Mr. Scummy since 2009 with Pirate Ship Mafia but only since Star Wars has it been ok to always go to ACIN when there is no other people with a solid case against. Whatever.

This doesn't match up with the night one "intended to be lulzy" comment about always dying night one. Now it's always gets bandwagoned to death early. This is also not true. His last game out he was wogged on day six. The one before that where he was mafia with me, he got killed night one by a random vig or an opposing mafia, can't remember which. The one before that (ATPG's star wars game) he made it most of the way through the game before the bandwagon came. This pity-me stuff is just false.

(snip Zack saying the PM read that ACIN wasn't deliberately trying to be scummy, he's trying to reverse the trend for this game; that this doesn't deter him since it would all then be genuine scumminess)

I agree with Zack here. Nor is ACIN's contention really well supported. He does give the impression early on of trying to be serious. But when that gets him in trouble, he's way back to lulzy ACIN, to the tune of eight or ten posts in 45 minutes all about don't you know my playstayle and why-so-serious and poking earthling with muffin references. And now that that didn't work and he's still under pressure, he's back to "I'm trying to reform myself". It's not real.

Well, I understand. It's WIFOM. At this point there is nothing that would convince you otherwise than an illegal role reveal. What I said was true, and I am sticking by it. I am going to participate in a mafia game and have a discussion with people, even if it is just for a short while.

How here is what I think which I have been working on since late monday.
Bet: 19 credits on Civplayah
Not having credits to steal when you are supposed to be inactive is more proof of "scummyness" imo than of anything else that has been said in this thread. I think this is crucial evidence and as of right now I trust MRD with his word.

Well I was about to give you a hard time on day three not even beginning until Wednesday, but I think I see what you mean now -- you're saying you've been working on credit/retaliation-related theories since Monday, and the situation with civplayah happens to fit into those theories. And even though I can't make heads nor tails of most of the theories presented (snipped because this is already too long); just the mere fact that you have a bunch of theories you're trying to tie into a lynch is probably the most townie indicator you've given thus far.

It's really, really, not much ACIN, given everythign that preceded it.
-- the false reasoning on your unvote of me
-- the false references to your past luck in recent games
-- your inconsistent self-presentation
-- the over-explanation of your presence or absence

I'm doubting myself just enough to want to look at the other leading candidates as well, but I don't really see my "vote" changing.

[Diamondeye]

Step into my lair, sweet boy, you know you want to.

Too bad about that pesky no-reveals rule.

She's not that strong! You can do it, DE!

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[Renata]

First, there are multiple scenarios under which he could have had zero credits, to include being stolen from himself, spending credits, and stealing credits from others. The ration is 1 to 4.

I got some answers about this today, but not the one I really should have, which was: how do you tell the difference between a failed theft and a successful theft of zero credits? But I think it can be extrapolated from what I did ask.

I got this:
You send in, for example: Spend 10 credits to steal 40 from Sasaki.

If you are successful and Sasaki has at least 40 credits, you get your 40, for a net gain of 30 credits.
If you are unsuccessful, you lose ten credits.
If you are successful and Sasaki has only 25 credits, you get 24 (nearest multiple of 4) and are charged only 6 (24 divided by 4), for a net gain of 18 credits.
If you are unsuccessful, you lose ten credits.

See the pattern? If you try to steal less than the player has and are successful, you don't get charged full rate; it's pro-rated. But if you are unsuccessful, you lose the whole thing.

I can therefore extrapolate to:
If you are successful and Sasaki has 0 credits (or less than 4), you gain nothing, but you also lose nothing (0/4).
If you are unsuccessful and Sasaki has 0 credits (or less than 4), you lose ten credits.

In other words, you saying you lost your whole input (that is what you said, right) strongly suggests a failed steal, and only a failed steal. How many credits civplayah has is unknown.

All of that said, I think you may have brought up something actually meaningful by accident.

Second, I did read his post. It was short and to the point, and it means nothing to me until he is actually replaced by the host for being inactive.

Two players have been replaced, one practically on the spot just today. Why *not* civplayah? Has he not actually asked? This is the first thing against him that *does* resonate for me. I still hate lynching no-shows like the fire of a thousand suns, but under those circumstances I would not in the slightest mind it if someone with a vig power takes aim at him tonight.

[a completely inoffensive name]

i have been flipping from different attitudes because this past week has been a really difficult week for me and my attitude in RL has been transferring into my in game persona. today i am deciding on whether it will be healthy for me to keep playing this game. i really wanted to reform my in game persona, i wanted to lay low and be lulzy and then come out with some grand post that exposes the mafia after days of analyzing posts. however, this past week has instead turned me into an angry jerk lashing out at people, which i then tried to cover up.

i kindly ask ATPG to have a replacement ready for me, im sorry for the inconvenience.

[Renata]

:( :(

[shlin28]

Various comments in reply to Earthling, who I am seriously doubting the credibility of.

1. BK doesn't appear that suspicious to me... and ignoring Seon is the best way forward no matter how sensible he sounds.
2. You want others to come forward, but still hasn't revealed ANYTHING about you. Your faction, your actions, your items, nope, zilch, nothing. It also seems to be that you are planning to threaten people simply because they wish to stay safe?
3. Again, if your plan is so amazing, SHARE it. As said before, faction scanning is not accurate so whoever you are talking to in private could be completely bogus. Bring your plan into the public eye or stop trying to persuade others into an unknown plan.
4. I am actually a member of an 'endangered' faction, I would love to co-operate, but frankly you have given me very little to work with here.

Also:

Interesting suggestions. So you think it would be in the best interest of the town for all those of us performing faction scans to reveal our results? I'm pretty undecided on the matter. I certainly don't think it's advisable for anyone to reveal their roles at this point, especially those belonging to factions who are nearly wiped out. As I've said before, it seems to me that the best thing for townie players to do right now is look out for their own faction. We've got no way to tell who the chaotics are. They have cover roles. So even if someone does faction scan them, they're going to get misleading results. Even if you could faction scan every single player in this game right now, you'd be no closer to figuring out who's the scum.

So I don't see the logic in revealing information about ourselves this early in the game. The theme of this game is that we're all evil characters anyway; some of us are just less trustworthy than others. So I say stick to your factions if you want to win.

Says the person who knowingly condemned a fellow townie to death. Keeping scans secret may be beneficial right now, but I think it is better to trust those in the thread than those in your faction - scans are useless in scum-finding after all. I'm all for role-playing, but this is not a role-playing heavy game, so we have to stop pretending to be selfish baddies and act for the interest of the great whole.

For my vote, I think I will unbet my money on Subotan, as his answer does conform to my hazy memory of what he was like, I think. Fold. Not entirely sure who to vote for though, Civplaya and ACIN are now the frontrunners but both are suspected for really tenuous reasons. Think I need some time to read through the thread again

As for items, I won't be voting for any more items for those who got items yesterday:
Vote: GAG for the fluffyone
Vote: Hammer Brother's RED SHELL for Beefy
Vote: Custom Desert Eagle to Robbiecon
Vote: Porcupine Quills to Visorslash
Vote: Rope to Choxorn
Vote: Wolfen Fighter to Ironside
Vote: Fireball to SkoomaAddict
That I think spreads out the items quite evenly... Though I would caution people from voting that scanning item to DiY - does he really need 10% retaliatory and a faction scanning item? A tiny paranoid voice within me thinks that he is trying to portray a reasonable image of himself so that no-one is going to notice that he will gain another item today

[Renata]

I checked Subotan's posts and for the most part they're the opposite of scummy. He wagered and lost 20 credits on day two against YLC. He has 30 placed now against Earthling, though the possibility yet exists that he will fold. I mean, maybe he's stealing credits to fund this apparent extravagance, but on its face it's not so much suspicious as just pointless (would be less pointless if he'd follow up every once in a while). The connection to ArpeggiateTHIS is not plausible as meaning anything, since Arpeggiate was a serial killer, not anti-mafia.

The one possible exception is the 4 credit wager against Captain Blackadder on day one after folding from his 10-credit facedown of Arpeggiate. It's the only time he's voted less than the full amount possible, and it happens to coincide with the day that Seon was almost lynched. (And it was not on Seon.) I'll check the timing on that, as well as other votes in Seon's favor.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Been gone 1 day, so many posts!

What page is the lastest write up on?

[thefluffyone93]

It's not just a kitten. It's the cutest kitten ever, and if you stare at it long enough, you lose your soul.

I no see teh kitteh.....

[Renata]

OK, Seon's near-lynch is interesting.

First, Subo's 4 credits on CB make no sense as trying to spare Seon under the circumstances at the time (he had had 10 on Arpeg just previously).

Second, I think it could be argued that up until a point I'm right about to show you, Seon was in no true danger, because his own 10 credits placed on any of a number of players could have spared him. So the interesting votes to me are those which bring Seon from a situation he can't recover from by himself (or barely could), to a situation he can.

Right after my vote on Captain Blackadder it stands like this (previous to my vote Seon was up by 4):
9 CB, 8 Seon, 6 Subo, 5 EB, 3 RS (EB is El Barto, RS is Red Spy)

Seon promptly makes a move, removing his wager on El Barto and placing 10 on Kagemusha. Kage responds with OMGUS (reason for his death that night? I think Kage's killer is in my not-sure-who-this-is category), and Seon backs off and places 10 on Byzantine Knight (reason for *his* death that night, surely). It's now

18 Seon, 10 BK, 9 CB, 6 Subo, 3 EB, 3 RS

So here we are. With 18 votes on him and 10 on the nearest competitor, Seon is very close to not being able to save himself. This is the point at which I think it becomes quite likely that teammates would have been wanting to step in to change the situation if they could justify it.

Byzantine Knight (innocent) puts ten on EArthling. Backwards Logic (innocent) adds 1 more. It's now

18 Seon, 11 Earthling, 10 BK (Seon's votes, won't help the mafia much to add more here), 9 CB

Next vote: bet 3 on Earthling from Fluffy (a typical picture with no game-related info vote)

Seon's now only 4 votes in the lead. He can save himself easily as long as Earthling stays nice and close like this.

Link and mythmonster each add one more to Earthling. Plausible as trying to help out Seon just that little bit more, but not as striking as Fluffy's vote.

Somewhere in here MRD puts 1 on BK.

18 Seon, 16 Earthling, 11 BK (mostly Seon's votes, won't help the mafia much to add more here), 9 CB

Seon's sitting pretty at least in terms of surviving the day; his ten votes alone can save him. But then what happens? Disaster! Byzantine Knight removes his 10 credit wager on Earthling. Earthling's at only 6 votes. Only CB remains as a jumping off point for Seon to act by himself, and it's only by a single solitary vote, at that. Can he get some insurance?

Jolt bets one on CB, unabstaining to do so

Oh.

Unabstain; Bet: 1 Capt Blackadder

(And by the way, the "oh" is related to another question.)

However, that vote was sadly prompted by CB himself voting Jolt just before (and Jolt first abstained before MRD helpfully pointed out he'd lose 1 credit either way), so never mind.

That's the status until Seon and then MRD pop in with back-to-back ten credit bets on Captain Blackadder to end the day.

And although MRD was up until that last-minute change voting for Byzantine Knight along with Seon (a vote that doesn't help Seon substantially); and although it would have to have been some comical communications fail in the scum camp for them both to make end of day bets like that; due to a couple other posts by MRD I'm not entirely sure that's not exactly what happened:

Jolt, Abstaining still causes you to lose 1 credit, so vote 1 for the CPT.


Byzantine Knight has implicitly stated he is pro-chaotic, and he is picking on a new member which is just bad tact:

Bet 1, ByzantineKnight

Helping Jolt to add one to the CB count without actually getting his hands dirty.

Of course, this quote is also unsettling, as BK and Kagemusha gang up on Seon and Renata, implying that Kage makes his vote based on assumption that someone is a townie (mafia)

Kage's vote was obviously tongue-in-cheek, and BK never voted Seon at all to my recollection (only me), so the linkage of me and Seon as dual recipients of a bad, evil conspiracy here rings just a tad bit hollow given Seon's alignment.

Finally,

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder

I'm just here for the credits. Such scum I am

(and corrects the format, probably unnecessarily, in the next post)

More in a minute, distracted.

[Believer]

As for items, I won't be voting for any more items for those who got items yesterday:

How about giving me the Porcupine Quills or the Wolfen Fighter? :')
*Cute kitteh*

[Major Robert Dump]

Renata: Unless it was a mistake by the host, I the theft cost me zero credits. The whole reason I pointed out that civPlayah had not been replaced is precisely what you pointed out. One can have a lack of posts but still be active.

I am less convinced by ACIN. My front runners remain Civ and B-Ray. On the face of things, I do not think what B-Ray did was too terribly bad since each faction has secondary interests, but if we are grasping at hairs then that will be enough.

[Renata]

Oh, the cost was zero? I thought you had implied the opposite sometime yesterday? Didn't you say you lost a bunch of credits and it was a waste?

I'm no longer convinced of ACIN anymore, either, even if Believer is online telling me I'm a weenie over it. If he's scum, it would be blatant emotional manipulation about his real life, and I don't want to believe it is.

I'm more interested in you and fluffy currently, fluffy more so than you since your talkativeness is comparatively disarming. Plus, you might be right about civplayah and I want to see that play out.

[thefluffyone93]

My 3 credit bet on Earthling has aroused suspicion?
Really?
I only voted 3 cuz that was the middle number.
Not too cheap, and not maxxed out.
I consider those kinds of bets to be scummier than mine, actually.
Even if it is just a way to save credits!

[ByzantineKnight]

I no see teh kitteh.....

I see memegenerator.net is back up ^_^

[Renata]

My 3 credit bet on Earthling has aroused suspicion?
Really?
I only voted 3 cuz that was the middle number.
Not too cheap, and not maxxed out.
I consider those kinds of bets to be scummier than mine, actually.
Even if it is just a way to save credits!

So are you saying you're more suspicious of Link or Mythmonster?

[Romanic]

I don't understand how civplayah could have 0 credit to steal on Night 2.

Again:

1) Day 1 : civplayah starts with 100 credits.
2) He didn't vote on Day 1, thus lost 1. 99 credits left.
3) Night 1 : Let's say that's he's been stolen everything he has. 0 credit left.
4) Income happens at the end of Night 1 (+10). 10 credits left.
5) Day 2 : He didn't vote (-1). 9 credits left.

How is it possible that he has zero? This analysis is the worse case scenario, credit-wise, but there's still 9 credits in his pocket. He cannot have less than 9.

Also, ATPG confirmed that credit income happen after night actions, so the income cannot be stolen on the night you get it. Everyone will start a day with a minimum of 10 credits.

All this makes it hard for me to believe MRD's story that civplayah had no credit to steal. And it can't be a failed attempt, or the attempt would have cost MRD some credits.

Does anyone have an explanation for this?

[thefluffyone93]

So are you saying you're more suspicious of Link or Mythmonster?

I just don't think it's a good idea to go all in, is all.
True, it was only 5 credits, but still, to go all in means you really want them dead.

I see memegenerator.net is back up ^_^

And yes, yes it is!

[Renata]

That's not my point. :(

Slight correction, Romanic: can only steal in increments of 4 credits, and anythign less than 4 would presumably not be accessable to theft.

[thefluffyone93]

Wait....how many credits did Link and Myth bet?

[Major Robert Dump]

Oh, the cost was zero? I thought you had implied the opposite sometime yesterday? Didn't you say you lost a bunch of credits and it was a waste?

I'm no longer convinced of ACIN anymore, either, even if Believer is online telling me I'm a weenie over it. If he's scum, it would be blatant emotional manipulation about his real life, and I don't want to believe it is.

I'm more interested in you and fluffy currently, fluffy more so than you since your talkativeness is comparatively disarming. Plus, you might be right about civplayah and I want to see that play out.

No, silly monkey, I said: I wasted a purchased action, and my crappy free action got me a whole lot of nothing.

The reason I bothered to point that out is because I, as a character, am at a disadvantage because I do not have an item I can actively use and I did not start with any skills. If one wants to use steal credits, one has to use it as the purchased action, because there is no free version of steal credits. So, hypothetically, if one wanted to both steal credits and defend other on the same night, the only option would be to purchase the steal and and use the low-probability free defend, not the other way around. If someone would vote me a doggone item I can actively use in my 2nd slot, then I may actually be able to do 2 things in one turn that have a decent chance of succeeding.

[robbiecon]

I've been doing a little sleuthing of my own on MRD, since reading Renata's post above. Now, while I'll admit it's horribly clumsy for two mafiats to come in and save another's skin so close to each other, and right at the end of the day, I'll agree that's what seems to have happened. Now to the analysis (it may be slightly out of order from how I wanted to say things, but you'll get the gist)

A lot of deaths night on 1, so either people got extremely lucky and found their hidden talents or they dropped a lot of cash on purchased vig actions.

I figured people would just start voting things to themselves. We need to start making drug deals and trading bets and item votes to get items, so if any other townies want to negotiate, I am game. PM me for negotiations.

I am curious what happens in the event of item vote ties.

I am also curious why SEON was 2 characters.

I am also curious about the cards, as so far there is no distinct pattern between dead people of the same faction.

Focuses on the deaths, trying to perhaps suggest that's it's trigger happy townies. Then goes on to look for people to make deals with over items, perhaps trying to gain information into what they might be, see perhaps if they're worth picking off? Asking why Seon was 2 characters, it seems to suggest that he genuinely doesn't know the reason, perhaps trying to just disassociate himself with the Chaotic faction, and a general sense of innocence portrayed "Why does he have two names, Mommy?" Asks about the cards, fair enough, I suppose.

And what about the people who have barely posted, or in some cases, haven't posted at all? Why not vote for them? So far, all of my Day 1 suspicions were unfounded, and ther person I suspected of being innocent was, in fact, chaotic. I would say not/barely posting is far more suspicious than posting silly spam.


I would like to thank the host for doing mid-day and almost end-day tallies. Keeping track of lynch voting is bad enough, now with items to track as well my head will explode.

Looking to simply gain votes on inactive players. Good tactic for simply getting rid of townies, as people are usually easily susceptible to "Well, we haven't a clue who to lynch, so let's just lynch the mute". Also, mid-day and end-day tallies are good ways of scum being able to see what they can do tactically over the day to either have an innocent lynched, or save themselves, if they are in trouble.

Golly, I feel so left out of the item frenzy.

So, hypothetically, what if a person wins an item vote and gets lynched the same turn? Does the item go back into the pool?

Despite calling out for people to talk with over the possibility of getting items, it appears no-one has approached him, and not too many people are voting for him for items. Perhaps he's trying to get people to approach him again subtlely. Also, perhaps he's worried about he himself getting lynched when people finally vote an item to him, although being lynched and being voted an item the same day is a rare occurrence, unless the item is described "Self-destructing bomb".

HAHAHAHA. Nice lynch, terd heads.

And the best part is B-Ray even stated that YLCs identity was not necessarily chaotic, but one which would serve B-Rays purpose, which anyone could logically assume means that either B-Rays new role is evil with a conflicting faction to YLC or B is straight CHAOTIC. Either of those scenarios could make B-Rays statement true. What a waste of credits.

We now see that there are 5 mafia factions. We also know that factions have nuetral (and possibly chaotic, based on the game rules) players.

Since no one had a big win on lynch bets I am hoping that this means there will be fewer purchased vigilante acts. I'm sure at least one or two Chatoic have free kill abilities, but those of us who successfully defended last time are probably in the clear, as are all the winners of the shiny new items. Nonetheless, I am still expecting a very busy night in terms murders.

Mocking of the lynch, usually used as a "I'm town, well done you lynched a townie, you fools" type of tactic. Normally used by scum. Townies go "Well, that isn't what we wanted" or "Oops, we did it again". Seems to know a bit too much about Chaotic abilities, although it's fair enough to assume that the scum team get their "Money For Nothing, and their kills for free". Perhaps he is also suggesting that those who defended successfully on the first night shouldn't worry about using a defense the second night. And the same goes for the item holders. Seems like a reverse psychology way of getting people to abstain from saving themselves, thus opening up easier targets.

By duping people into spending money to defend themselves after the first nights murder frenzy, the Chaotics will eventually be able to out bet anyone on lynches in conjunction with the silence ability. Earthling's willingness to so easily incriminate me in a far-fetched hypothesis shows far more ill intent than anything I have done to date. A defensive area attack in response to an action? Please. Also note that he did not say what action, because if he said he tried to kill me and then Renata says she tried to steal from me, well, then the story would not add up because that would make me so powerful I was a game breaker. Earthling set it up perfectly, though, because by text walling on day 1 he knew people would notice his absence on day 2, and they did. When he returns, he has the perfect alibi: he was afflicted by the very trick he used on someone else. Convenient. I make an easier target because I was trying to acquire a bulletproof item and failed, so Earthling is under the false impression that I am unable to defend myself and therefore people will be more likley to murder me

I suggest you spend some money on self defense tonight, Earthling. I hope your action on the first night wasn't purchased, because that would mean you will be near broke.

Perhaps he is simply scaring people further into not using the defense abilities. That is keep your money or the Chaotic faction will simply outbid you in lynches, and kill you have one by one. Perhaps a threat towards Earthling? Or trying to gain more information as to what Earthling did night one?


Anyway, this is my case.
tl;dr Major Robert Dump appears to be trying to talk people out of using defense night actions. Seems to want items to be voted to himself (perhaps to take them out of everyone else's hands), and in order to do this perhaps wants to find out information about others, perhaps to be able to make a decision whether to kill you or let you live.

I apologise if I've got you totally wrong, but this is just what I got out of it.

So Fold; Bet: 15 credits on Major Robert Dump, for now.

[Jolt]

I no see teh kitteh.....

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