Units who you cannot stand in your armies?

**frogbeastegg** · 04-19-2011, 15:46

Hero units. Too much a 'crazy-power' unit for my tastes. They make me feel like I can get away with sloppy play when they are on my side, and are a chore to kill when the AI has them. They also ruin the illusion that the battle is plausible. I used them in a single battle and will not build them again.

Battlefield ninja. I didn't see the point in STW, and I don't see it in S2TW. Maybe if as a player I was more interested in hunting down the enemy general I'd have a different view. As it is, I prefer to kill him later in the battle.

Bomb throwers, cavalry archers and guns are all units which have a place in my armies; that place is highly limited, highly specialised, and I do not want them around outside of that. I'm working on guns in the hopes I will one day wish to include them in my standard armies. At the moment I feel I have other, better ways to get similar results using more standard unit types, e.g. a flanking cavalry charge instead of a flanking gun volley to damage morale.

**james_austintx** · 04-19-2011, 16:48

Bomb Throwers are outstanding when defending in siege assault.

**The_Emperor** · 04-19-2011, 17:37

Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

Battlefield ninja. I didn't see the point in STW, and I don't see it in S2TW. Maybe if as a player I was more interested in hunting down the enemy general I'd have a different view. As it is, I prefer to kill him later in the battle.

Hi froggy!

i agree there, I did read up some strategies on how to use them on sieges but to be honest I would much rather smash their General with a Yari Cav charge in the back than take a small bunch of sneaky dudes that always seem to start the game with the AI army marching directly towards their position on their way to my army.

There are so many better ways to kill the enemy general than to rely on ninja.

**edyzmedieval** · 04-19-2011, 19:10

Bomb throwers, cannons, Kisho Ninja and hero units (except Katana heroes).

They're all pretty much worthless for my tactics, especially the hero units which aren't that useful when playing on Hard/Very Hard/Legendary. They don't justify the huge price.

**Ed TW** · 04-20-2011, 11:05

I'm not big on calvary archers either, however I've had some luck when harassing infantry units. If an enemy doesn't have the calvary to run down my calvary archers I usually can make a unit or two start chasing them. This will take more heat off of my melee units, and give them an upper hand. The bomb throwers I've used to get my melee units out of trouble. Two or three volleys usually gets the enemy routing. They are allot of fun when defending in a siege though.

**al Roumi** · 04-20-2011, 13:38

Never used cav archers or kisho ninjas. There's a place in most of my armies for everything else.

**HopAlongBunny** · 04-21-2011, 01:39

Cav archers; seems to be no love for them

(D-T's thread gives some hope, but it sounds like a lot of work)

I've recruited the ninja unit but have never got around to using it. A large expense for the dubious pleasure of micro'ing it during a battle.

**Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout** · 04-22-2011, 21:43

Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

Hero units. Too much a 'crazy-power' unit for my tastes. They make me feel like I can get away with sloppy play when they are on my side, and are a chore to kill when the AI has them. They also ruin the illusion that the battle is plausible. I used them in a single battle and will not build them again.

Battlefield ninja. I didn't see the point in STW, and I don't see it in S2TW. Maybe if as a player I was more interested in hunting down the enemy general I'd have a different view. As it is, I prefer to kill him later in the battle.

Bomb throwers, cavalry archers and guns are all units which have a place in my armies; that place is highly limited, highly specialised, and I do not want them around outside of that. I'm working on guns in the hopes I will one day wish to include them in my standard armies. At the moment I feel I have other, better ways to get similar results using more standard unit types, e.g. a flanking cavalry charge instead of a flanking gun volley to damage morale.

oh no,Hero units are the best!They were used in Japan during that peroid.And they are killers!

**frogbeastegg** · 04-22-2011, 22:01

Originally Posted by Takeda Shogunate

oh no,Hero units are the best!They were used in Japan during that peroid.And they are killers!

One day I should do a comedy test battle in the custom battle mode. One of each hero unit for my army and no one else, versus 20 units of yari ashigaru. How many men can the heroes kill? I used to do that to relieve stress in the older games, like 4 units of the best knights against a horde of peasants. It's a good break from the regular battles I like to fight in campaign mode.

By the way, how did your campaign go? Did you win?

**Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout** · 04-22-2011, 22:17

No,I have not had enough time to go my computer, apparently because I am using 2 computers,steam suspended my account,I've emailed them,they haven't replied.Maybe If I access the original computer it can let me access it . I'm on a different comp for now.which sucks:(.

But I'm telling you,Hero units are not to be underestimated.I know how dangerous they can be,They're expert killers for gods sake!If you looked at history they were widely used.I think so,not sure,should check my books.

Yeah.,checked,And I must agree with you,hero units are not that effective.

say er..Could you read my story and give some feedback?thank you.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...34700-My-story.