So it's official, southern France is rotten.

[Hax]

It is not just the Arabs. I shall top your fascism and go one further with stereotyping. The first problem is Méditerranée France, which is simply more macho than the north and west. Secondly, this local culture has been completely swamped by Italians*, Pieds-Noirs, Portuguese. These are more macho still. On top of this there is the Maghrebine immigration. Which is concentrated in the cities, and in the younger generations. There is no longer a city in the south where Europeans are a majority of youngsters. Urban culture is no longer European.

But the urban culture is not 'Arabic' either. It is a micture of Euro machismo, Afro subcultures, and a whole brew of influences, drawing as much from the mosque as from American rap music and gangsta subculture. Poker and gangbangs, these are what life is about to them. The local white trash speaks the same kind of gangsta French as the Beurs, wears the same clothes.

Thank you.

The rest of this thread makes me sad.

[Husar]

Thank you.

The rest of this thread makes me sad.

Indeed, it makes me sad, too, when women are treated this way.

[Louis VI the Fat]

women treated this way.

If I may add one sidenote to this...

Women's rights have never been more popular than since one could bash immigrants over it. One can nowadays witness the spectacle of two guys sitting in a garage, discussing the loss of women's rights because of immigration, in front of their nekkid girls calender and in between wolf whistling female customers.
Same with gays. And Jews. No matter how much some conservative simpleton may dislike gays, and Jews, and Israel, he will still find it in him to berate the Arabs for being homophobe antisemites.


Pffft...

[Strike For The South]

I had a giant self righteous post and my compluter ate the bloody thing, cliff notes

France has recently taken on allot of poor, brown, and muslim immigrants

French Culture is superior to this immigrant culture, although that's a broad brush

The way these people are welcomed and assimialted into French cultutre matter to. In America crime rates are much lower among all immigrant groups and they are *gasp* brown people to.

All 3 of these things matter, let's not be infants about the issue, but let's also acknowledge they matter both ways.

It's not like before teh brownies came France was a paradise were all women were treated with the utmost chivalry and respect. Because that isn't true either

Also, in America if someone groped a women and called her a whore that person would be dropped by someone in the bar. I don't mean to go testosterone frontroom on everyone but that would happen. Add into the mix it's some spindly little derka derka and their are a few amount of people who would probably take a certain fun in it. Is French culture usually this passive? I'm just getting an image of a bunch of pasty artsy types crying into the cafe & crossicants....come on guys.

I cannot think of one single culture that was allowed to prosper inside another one. Minority cultures living alongside majority cultures always mean trouble. The only way for a minority culture to become accepted, is to turn itself into a variant of the majority one - aka integrating.

THEIR ARE JEWS IN THEM HILLS

[Rhyfelwyr]

THEIR ARE JEWS IN THEM HILLS

It's always the same side that uses goes CAPSLOCK first and its never the ones they say it is.

Other people can do that to...

A: I don't like the way these immigrants act
B: ZOMG RACIST!!!

Yay!

[Ironside]

It's always the same side that uses goes CAPSLOCK first and its never the ones they say it is.

Other people can do that to...

A: I don't like the way these immigrants act
B: ZOMG RACIST!!!

Yay!

Now Melendil probably knows more than I do, but I've got the feeling that those are people that was born or grew up in France. Hence immigrants are the wrong word.

Anyway the behavior seems to be "madonna or whore" behavior where the madonna is replaced with whore. I'm curious on why the behavior occurs. The feeling of ineptness leading to oppression of the physically weaker gender?

Any idea on how to stop the behavior? It will not only poison this generation, these people will have children on their own...

Simply chanting it's the immigrants fault and closing the border won't work and will rather invite to a rather messy and not really working "solution" (Jews and Romani issues has been "solved" this way for centuries) if nothing more is done.

[Fragony]

Any idea on how to stop the behavior? It will not only poison this generation, these people will have children on their own...

I most certainly don't you can't just change a mindset. But closing the borders for non-western immigrants will absolutely make the problems easier to handle. It's already too late for Southern-France it should be considered lost, there isn't anything that can be done about it anymore it will become a shariah enclave if it isn't already. Sucks to live there.

[Skullheadhq]

Since when does being an attractive young female mean you're a jew? And does this mean antisemites are homosexuals thus they're implying they're gay? But yet they hate homsexuals so they are self-hating? And since they wish the death penalty for homosexuals, does this mean they're suicidal? Arab logic is hard to understand for us outsiders.

[Banquo's Ghost]

So far, I have seen nothing yet in this thread that convinces me this is an exclusively Arab or Southern French problem. These behaviours are exhibited by young males trapped in the underclass of many cultures. Women would find themselves so abused if they walked through the traveller ghettoes of Limerick, the slums of St Petersburg or the drink-stained and neon-lit Saturday night high streets of Bristol.

Whereas there is undoubtedly an element of skewed cultural (religious) behaviour in the OP's example, it cannot be purely so. One would never find such behaviour shown towards women on the streets of Lebanon, Syria or Egypt* - excepting perhaps the direst of deprived areas, and probably not even then**. So it cannot be "Arab" culture. One would be unlikely to find such behaviour among the middle class suburbs of London or Dublin, whatever the country of origin of the people one meets, so it cannot be "immigrant" culture.

Apart from exclusion and poverty, I would advance one further observation that speaks to me about the undoubted problem we are discussing. Enforcement of standards.

It seems to me that these kind of behaviours are tolerated, rather than immediately stopped by law enforcement. This is multiplied greatly in regard to muslim immigrants because of the multi-culturalist viewpoint that they should somehow be allowed different standards to the rest of the country in which they reside. But this laxity stretches to all incidents of bad behaviour, it seems to me. Were they slapped in jail for a period - or, as Strike suggests, gentlemen allowed to defend a lady's honour without fear that they would be the one to be immediately prosecuted, one suspects the whole lot - brown, pink or variegated - would learn to toe the line sharpish. This is in fact what happens in their countries of origin, where expectations are very strict - they do not misbehave, because they would not be allowed to by elders or police. Of course, it wouldn't hurt for them to have a hard day's work to occupy their time too.

Purely anecdotally (which is what this thread is all about) I am reminded of the impeccable behaviour of my French friends' children at home and school. They respond well to a culture of firmness and discipline. They are polite, respectful and articulate. Then I see the hordes of French children on visits to the UK and Ireland and the repellant behaviour of these gangs of foul-mouthed, thieving little brats. Away from home, indulged by the feeble liberal tutors now charged with their care, they mutate into feral swamp-things direct from Golding's worst nightmares.

* My reference examples are countries where I have observational experience, or rather, my wife does.
** It ought to be noted that one can find bad behaviour in some tourist areas of these countries, largely (it seems to me) generated by the appalling behaviours of young women that encourage such disdain. "Whores" would be apt description rather than pejorative.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Since when does being an attractive young female mean you're a jew? And does this mean antisemites are homosexuals thus they're implying they're gay? But yet they hate homsexuals so they are self-hating? And since they wish the death penalty for homosexuals, does this mean they're suicidal? Arab logic is hard to understand for us outsiders.

You seem to understand the misogyny of the creeps in southern France perfectly well;

Also: a key that opens many locks is a master key, a lock that's opened by many keys is a worthless lock.

It is correct that the one culture I spoke of earlier is not the only one that is deeply misogynist; gangster rap and college fraternity brothers in the US both come to mind.

It seems to me that it is the culture of certain North African/Arabic immigrants behind the increase in treating women like objects.

As Banquo pointed out, their behavior is more tolerated. Such behavior by others was not in the past.

So the those in charge must decided whether to bite the bullet and disregard the politically correct, multicultural thinking, or watch as treatment of women worsens.

CR

[Jaguara]

Also, in America if someone groped a women and called her a whore that person would be dropped by someone in the bar. I don't mean to go testosterone frontroom on everyone but that would happen.

As I was dealing with my rage thinking about the situation, I had the thought that if I was witness to sort of thing, that this is how I might react. At the very least, I would confront the jackass(es).

I got to wondering how, if it is that bad, that there are not yet squads of French guys prowling around for the pricks. But Louis' post answers some of this, namely that it is more complex and perhaps that this is the prevaling attitude in the area.

[Fragony]

THEIR ARE JEWS IN THEM HILLS

Don't worry they will be leaving in droves once the hills get enriched, no idea why

[Furunculus]

Same with gays. And Jews. No matter how much some conservative simpleton may dislike gays, and Jews, and Israel, he will still find it in him to berate the Arabs for being homophobe antisemites.
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just checking that you are using "conservative" in the small "c" convention?

otherwise i would have to point out that it is very much a feature of the left to dislike jews and israel rather than the right.........