Your favorite "Pikemen" nation and why

[A_Dane]

Check out the FAQ. The Macedonians have only one "reform": the March of Time event that gives them a new, high-end phalanx unit. It changes nothing else.

The government type does not directly determine what units you can recruit: it limits the level of factional & regional MICs you can construct.

Type I : factional 5 / regional 2
Type II: factional 4 / regional 3
Type III:factional 3 / regional 4
Type IV:factional 2 / regional 5

Certain provinces may be type I, but you will only get factional units in the higher levels MICs. Check out the EB recruitment viewer (should be inside your installation folder, but you can find a less up-to-date one on the EB website) to see what you can recruit in certain provinces. As far as recruitment goes: type III is almost always better than type IV since there are almost no regional units that still require a level 5 regional MIC.

Carthage being a notable exception, to get reforms you need 5 lvl 5 regional mics -.- learned that the hard way after not reading reform instructions thorougly xD

[Ludens]

True; I was talking about recruitment only. Sorry for not being clear.

[Ksifos]

I am trying to find the info you described here because in my installation folder I can't find it (IIRC I chose not to install it ).But only thing I can get is info about the unit and not the recruitment conditions.

To add to what moonburn says, Type III adds enormous unhappiness but maybe you can compensate with happiness buildings.You were right about Type I in areas like Tylis and Sardike but then I thought I could 'cheat' building the most of my factional buildings, then demolish it and build the Type III or IV to get to the regional troops.Can this be done?

So far my campaign runs smoothly but its so easy :-/
I am able to field PURE elite armies like Argyraspidai, Agrianai, Makedonkoi Peltastai, etc
Its fun though because I have tons of money and can do almost anything in terms of bribery :-P

[moonburn]

yes you can ksifos alot of people do the oposite they build type4 and when they finally can´t build anymore in the provinces change it to type 1

[Ludens]

The Macedonian type III government IIRC has more penalties than other factions' type III's, so yes, it isn't very good.

Are you sure the Recruitment viewer is not inside your EB folder? I don't have EB on this computer, but if I recall correctly it's either named RV.exe or install_rv.exe If not, there is a version available here. Neither version is entirely up to date, but the one on the EB website is older. That one does contain the unit-cards, however.

[Ksifos]

Thanks Ludens, installed and ran it.According to it Makedonia can produce Elite Thracian Infantry (Romphaiaphoroi) in Native MIC level 4 (?!?).
With KH I am 100% sure I needed to build Regional MIC to have that unit.
I need a level 5 regional in Singidunum to get Scordisci.Other than that level 5 is of no purpose.

Moonburn you 're right.Building the Type IV first is more beneficial.

Just a question.In my Casse game, when I built Type IV I always recruited "puppet" generals.They normally have a long life, so if I finish all the buildings I need (normally regional baracks) what happens if I establish a Type I while the puppet is in charge? Does he get any sort of penalties?

[CashMunny]

what happens if I establish a Type I while a puppet is in charge? Does he get any sort of penalties?

Yes. He gets a penalty that affects the public order of the city, similar to but more severe than the "Interloper" trait that FM's get from being in a T4 government city.