Europe Day

**Cute Wolf** · 05-10-2011, 05:02

so, let's clone Napoleon and put him as Emperor!

**Fragony** · 05-10-2011, 06:54

Kewl, in a secret meeting the EUSSR decided that the Netherlands must give free money to Greece so they can stop working at 55. What was said we don't know as we weren't invited, we are too critical and the EUSSR does not accept doubt. Lalala CASH NOW. Another happy Europe day

**Sarmatian** · 05-10-2011, 08:16

Originally Posted by Fragony

Kewl, in a secret meeting the EUSSR decided that the Netherlands must give free money to Greece so they can stop working at 55. What was said we don't know as we weren't invited, we are too critical and the EUSSR does not accept doubt. Lalala CASH NOW. Another happy Europe day

C'mon, be reasonable. You have plenty and Greeks can't keep receiving higher pensions than Germans otherwise.

You should demand a free holiday, though.

**Fragony** · 05-10-2011, 08:31

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

C'mon, be reasonable. You have plenty and Greeks can't keep receiving higher pensions than Germans otherwise.

You should demand a free holiday, though.

Sure our inner calvinist loves the idea of good works till the age of 67 to pay for these hairy feta-gobblers' socialism

edit: BG I am angry at you as well

Celtic meow gawd

Hi Ronin!

any Spanish

**gaelic cowboy** · 05-10-2011, 14:06

Originally Posted by Fragony

Kewl, in a secret meeting the EUSSR decided that the Netherlands must give free money to Greece so they can stop working at 55. What was said we don't know as we weren't invited, we are too critical and the EUSSR does not accept doubt. Lalala CASH NOW. Another happy Europe day

Thats cos there really bailouts of the ECB forcing the taxpayers of Europe but North and South to bail it out in pursuit of mythical eurozone stability.

The ECB loves having all the attributes of a central bank but none of the messy things like actually running a proper single currency

**HoreTore** · 05-10-2011, 14:35

Poisonous gases?

Hah! There are people who believe cell phones kill you too. I don't see why we should pay any attention whatsoever to such people.

**Husar** · 05-11-2011, 00:31

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Poisonous gases?

Hah! There are people who believe cell phones kill you too. I don't see why we should pay any attention whatsoever to such people.

There was a laboratory that tested it, not just random people who believe this for no reason, they also mentioned that one of the manufacturers wanted to look where those gases come from when they told them.
Concerning the rest, in the 70ies or so teachers here were expected to get x-rayed several times a year or so as part of regular health checks. By now it's known that x-rays are quite unhealthy if you get a whole lot of them, very similar to being subjected to radiation in fact. If everybody had had your attitude, who knows how many people would've died because of it?

I don't believe that cellphones can kill you, but they may cause some health problems in the long run, to claim that something that emits electromagnetic waves has no effect on anything other than another such communication device is quite absurd, just look at the connection to bees.

So basically I don't see why I should be forced to use something that is proven to emit carcinogenic gases in order to "save the environment".
And if I drop it and it breaks, I have to evacuate the area because it has heavy metals in it.
You know, I'm all for saving the environment, but not if it has a high chance of killing or hurting me.

**Furunculus** · 05-11-2011, 00:52

HT is commited to flourescent bulbs because it is european, not because it makes sense, this much should be clear. all hail Robert Schuman

**Fragony** · 05-11-2011, 05:49

Just admit it that you hate peace

**HoreTore** · 05-11-2011, 09:27

Originally Posted by Furunculus

HT is commited to flourescent bulbs because it is european, not because it makes sense, this much should be clear. all hail Robert Schuman

HoreTore's first job at the age of 17 was producing and installing flourescent and LED-lamps.

In other words, years before the EU thought about this.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 05-16-2011, 11:23

Sorry about this triple post, I didn't see how many posts about CFL's there actually were until I started posting.

Originally Posted by Husar

Concerning the rest, in the 70ies or so teachers here were expected to get x-rayed several times a year or so as part of regular health checks. By now it's known that x-rays are quite unhealthy if you get a whole lot of them, very similar to being subjected to radiation in fact. If everybody had had your attitude, who knows how many people would've died because of it?

It was known back then that getting a lot of x-rays could be detrimental. The problem is that there is no clear cut "line" on how much radiation is too much. It is fuzzy today and was even fuzzier back then resulting in the example you provided. There are benchmarks where certain amounts of radiation start to produce notable side effects up to death. However the range up to those points is still fuzzy. There is not a solid line that says "If x amount of radiation then you have certainly doubled your risk of cancer." There are standard deviations that vary between if it was doubled, or 1.5x or 2.5x etc...

I don't believe that cellphones can kill you, but they may cause some health problems in the long run, to claim that something that emits electromagnetic waves has no effect on anything other than another such communication device is quite absurd, just look at the connection to bees.

This unfortunately is completely wrong, not to be disrespectful. In the first place something that poses a hazardous threat to other creatures does not make it hazardous to humans by any means. Mice and animal testing for drugs or new techniques always has to be followed by human testing to see if it is actually viable in humans with human physiological systems.

Secondly, if you read the article you just posted you can see clearly what makes your point invalid. The case given in the article says that the electromagnetic waves emitted are confusing the bees from returning to their hive and thereby promotes a hive collapse. The waves are interfering with one of their "senses" essentially. This would be the equivalent of cell phones producing a frequency that somehow interferes with our ability to detect the visible light range which is also electromagnetic radiation. It is not causing actual physical "damage" it is merely interfering with the bees perception and thus disrupts its life.

Cell phone transmissions do not cross anywhere near the territory of ionizing radiation which is the kind that triggers cancer. It is entirely within the category of "non-ionizing" radiation and is completely harmless to us because it is not disrupting our sight nor giving us cancer. The bees are an unfortunate victim because we happened to choose the band of frequencies that they just happen to reply upon to guide themselves around.

So basically I don't see why I should be forced to use something that is proven to emit carcinogenic gases in order to "save the environment".
And if I drop it and it breaks, I have to evacuate the area because it has heavy metals in it.
You know, I'm all for saving the environment, but not if it has a high chance of killing or hurting me.

Except there isn't a high chance of it killing you. You are greatly overestimating the threat with flimsy reports and incomplete information.