EBOT June 2011 - MP EDU - Feedback needed.

[vartan]

-Thorakitai Hoplitai will be amazing with .135 lethality + AP, switch me to KH Vartan! Marians don't stand a chance at all.

I had to read through all of your post twice to find this. I hate you forever.

Baktria:
-Did you ever figure out why Indian Longbowman die like flies? I've never been able to figure out why they suck vs every competent archer in the game.

If they're facing armoured archers, the Indians will die sooner than the armoured ones will. End of story.

-Baktrian BG given +2 morale - lol

I'm still not done laughing at this one! I'm right with ya.

Steppe:
-Still OP, always will be.

That's cause Steppe is boss of the boss. Very hard to control for some players.

Elephants and Chariots:
-Can we get 1/2 sized 1/2 cost versions of these so you can actually control them?

I remember you were the first to propose this. What do you think GG2? Possible?

I hope you guys tested this fairly extensively.

Help us test it.

Also, if you haven't fixed it already, you might want to make sure KH has all the correct units on their roster. They used to be missing some.

This is very necessary. GG2, don't forget to add the following to the KH MP roster:

• Hippeis Thessalikoi (Thessalian Heavy Cavalry)
• Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
• Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)

[LusitanianWolf]

Casse aren't horrible...I crushed a phalanx army with the Casse very recently. There are a few things I discovered:

I saw that (was spectating) and it was amasing! I suggest you post here the replay as you did with the Sweboz one.

Elephants and Chariots:
-Can we get 1/2 sized 1/2 cost versions of these so you can actually control them?

Totally agree!

[Burebista]

10 k for elephants are an ok investment.

5k foe ellies ..kmon. we ould have an elephant fest.

Maybe a reduction for eastern elephants. 13 k seems a right price.

[LusitanianWolf]

10 k for elephants are an ok investment.

5k foe ellies ..kmon. we ould have an elephant fest.

Maybe a reduction for eastern elephants. 13 k seems a right price.

Werent Diadochoi battles usualy a elephant fest? =P

[Burebista]

Werent Diadochoi battles usualy a elephant fest? =P

Rarely. And they weren't on a budget as we are. SP vs MP.

[gamegeek2]

I saw that (was spectating) and it was amasing! I suggest you post here the replay as you did with the Sweboz one.

Same trick doesn't work twice though. Next time Aga shot my chariots and things didn't go so well :(

[LusitanianWolf]

Rarely. And they weren't on a budget as we are. SP vs MP.

I ges youre right. Unfortunly in my campains the AI rarely use them so I was hoping to find some in MP.

Same trick doesn't work twice though. Next time Aga shot my chariots and things didn't go so well :(

Well, Aga isnt a training dummy, you know? XD He also learns and evolve his tecniques. He is not a hasty Axebitten like me whose favorite word is CHARGE! =p
But yes, when its barbarians vs diadochoi or steppes you have to allways be developing new tactics because the same ones wont work many times agaisnt the sheer power of phalangites/heavy cav/Horse Archers and a brain behind them that forces you to play with very limited options.

[vartan]

I just got notified that Indian Longbowmen only have 16 arrows. We already know from practice that they suck and fall quickly since they're not armoured. Can they at least get some more ammo?

EDIT: Apparently German archers also have something like 15 arrows. Is this really good for MP? Don't want people not choosing the unit for its lack of arrows :/

[The Celtic Viking]

Same goes for Sotaroas. Not that they're likely to survive long enough to fire all of them anyway.

[LusitanianWolf]

I just got notified that Indian Longbowmen only have 16 arrows. We already know from practice that they suck and fall quickly since they're not armoured. Can they at least get some more ammo?

EDIT: Apparently German archers also have something like 15 arrows. Is this really good for MP? Don't want people not choosing the unit for its lack of arrows :/

Well, with Sweboz in MP the only reason for chosing Skutjanz or Lankininkas is price, since they suck and Medininkas are a bit better overall.
Maybe you could make them more task specifics, one that is best with ranged attack, one that is not as good as ranged but can hold himself in melee and other that is a hibrid but not as good in ranged or melee as the specialist ones.

[gamegeek2]

I don't want to mess with accuracy, otherwise I might make the Skudjonez into sharpshooters.

I have now given all archers a minimum of 25 ammo. Does this sound good?

[vartan]

Sure.

[Lazy O]

Bosporan Heavy Archers.

1400~ Cost - Way too cheap, 10 more men than all the other archers, alongside their melee capability. Either reduce the unit size to 30 or increase their cost. Because you would be hard pressed to find a unit in the 1400 range that can beat them.

[gamegeek2]

Um, Cretans?

[Lazy O]

Cretans have less men and less armor

[vartan]

Cretans have less men and less armor

I can assure you from in-game practice that Kretans and Bosphorans are the hardest archers to beat right now, with Bosphorans at top. Imperial Roman archers die almost as fast as Indian Longbowmen. Wanna beat Bosphorans at the moment? Charge with cav, unfortunately.

[Lazy O]

Aw come on, as if it wasn't enough that they are awesome archers, they have to be supermen with a large unit size?

[gamegeek2]

Bosporan archer ammo has been cut to 30. Levantine archer auxilia now have 30 ammo, same as Cretans.