Anybody enjoying Game of Thrones? (HBO TV series)

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I think by then you should be accustomed to that sort of thing. Plus, if the previous "holy crap" moments angered you, that one will make you feel a bit better.

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I was depressed for two weeks after reading the red wedding. I'm also dumb, and I was hoping all the warning signs leading up to it were red herrings / not going to be *that bad*.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Plus, if the previous "holy crap" moments angered you, that one will make you feel a bit better.

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Intentional usage of "holy crap" there when describing the Tywin death scene?

[johnhughthom]

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Just got to that part, to be honest that's probably the only death that's actually annoyed me. If there was any character who's motivations and background I wanted to know more about, Tywin was the guy. I just hope Tyrion's words to his brother don't come back to haunt him, the truth about Tysha was probably the saddest thing in the books so far, as if we needed more reason to sympathise with Tyrion though...

[Centurion1]

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Just got to that part, to be honest that's probably the only death that's actually annoyed me. If there was any character who's motivations and background I wanted to know more about, Tywin was the guy. I just hope Tyrion's words to his brother don't come back to haunt him, the truth about Tysha was probably the saddest thing in the books so far, as if we needed more reason to sympathise with Tyrion though...

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Its quite ironic how we all love a character who committed such a grievous misdeed as patricide, no?

[johnhughthom]

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Its quite ironic how we all love a character who committed such a grievous misdeed as patricide, no?

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Imagine what an opinion we would have of Tyrion though if we only saw his actions through the eyes of the people around him, like we do Tywin. He would probably appear even more of a monster than his father. Jaime is a character most people probably hate, until we actually get to see thing from his point of view when he becomes likeable. I'm not saying Tywin would suddenly become a nice chap, just misunderstood, it's just frustrating that we never really get to know somebody so central to the events of the story. Probably the only person who becomes (slightly) less objectionable without have their own chapters is Sandor Clegane.

I have to say, the epilogue of book three was probably the biggest WTF moment yet. I can just imagine the author thinking "Okay, I've killed off a load of characters, who would people least like me to bring back? I'll show them..."

[Centurion1]

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Imagine what an opinion we would have of Tyrion though if we only saw his actions through the eyes of the people around him, like we do Tywin. He would probably appear even more of a monster than his father. Jaime is a character most people probably hate, until we actually get to see thing from his point of view when he becomes likeable. I'm not saying Tywin would suddenly become a nice chap, just misunderstood, it's just frustrating that we never really get to know somebody so central to the events of the story. Probably the only person who becomes (slightly) less objectionable without have their own chapters is Sandor Clegane.

I have to say, the epilogue of book three was probably the biggest WTF moment yet. I can just imagine the author thinking "Okay, I've killed off a load of characters, who would people least like me to bring back? I'll show them..."

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No kidding i loath catelyn shes an imbecile. I want either robb back or brann + legs. Robb was an under discussed character i would have enjoyed reading from the pov though he seems a bit too pure. Then again he appeared to be a military genius and a formidable warrior. And bran with legs would create and interesting power dynamic up north.

[johnhughthom]

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No kidding i loath catelyn shes an imbecile. I want either robb back or brann + legs. Robb was an under discussed character i would have enjoyed reading from the pov though he seems a bit too pure. Then again he appeared to be a military genius and a formidable warrior. And bran with legs would create and interesting power dynamic up north.

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It always seemed obvious to me Robb and Joffrey would be killed off, otherwise why didn't the story focus on them more? Robb's another character I didn't feel we got to know at all, he comes across as the Richard the Lionheart of the tale, but he's treated like a secondary character while we get Sansa moping around court and Catelyn... you know I don't even remember what she was doing. I guess it's the boring chapters that make those involving the interesting characters that much better. I just wish he'd stop teasing us, making us think Arya's going to find her wolf again...

Anyway, it's nearly 3:30 am, I should go to bed as I start work in 3 1/2 hours, but I'm thinking that time would be better spent reading the start of Feast for Crows than sleeping...

[The Stranger]

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No kidding i loath catelyn shes an imbecile. I want either robb back or brann + legs. Robb was an under discussed character i would have enjoyed reading from the pov though he seems a bit too pure. Then again he appeared to be a military genius and a formidable warrior. And bran with legs would create and interesting power dynamic up north.

i think that the author has to either A) kill off loads of POV characters or B) not introduce any new ones, because the style of his writing. A) he needs to do to keep the scale of the story down. B) would have the same effect but it would also mean nothing bad could happen to the POV characters or your story would end. There is also option C) and that is increase the size of the story, like Feist has done. he uses a similar POV style but for him its not so bad if in a book some of the characters dont get a prominent role because the size of the story is so big.