Possible ban on halal/kosher meat in the Neds

[Fragony]

Without applying sedation first that is, orthodox jews and to a lesser extend muslims are crying foul over this complete with the inevitable Godwins.

We have been on this road before but would like to know what you think anyway as it's quite the discussion here. Halal and kosher isn't cruel if the butcher is able, but if the animal isn't properly cut it will suffer for quite some time as the job won't be finished because imaginary friends say it has to be one single cut, it can last for minutes and the animal is fully concious. I have zero patience with their religion personally, they can move to Israel or Muslimstan if it's that big a deal, or import it.

[rory_20_uk]

I think making it illegal is a bad idea, as it is not a fight worth fighting. Regulating the practice with heavy fines for breaches is OK.

[Fragony]

I think making it illegal is a bad idea, as it is not a fight worth fighting. Regulating the practice with heavy fines for breaches is OK.

What breaches, if the animal is sedated it's no longer kosher/halal, same with a second cut, so it's basicly a full ban. I'm ok with that I don't find their spicelaws as important as a quik and painless death for the animal. I know muslims to be flexible with this and most butchers will cut twice, but orthodox jews are united in pitytude. Screw that, get with it or wail at your wall.

[Skullheadhq]

What breaches, if the animal is sedated it's no longer kosher/halal, same with a second cut, so it's basicly a full ban. I'm ok with that I don't find their spicelaws as important as a quik and painless death for the animal. I know muslims to be flexible with this and most butchers will cut twice, but orthodox jews are united in pitytude. Screw that, get with it or wail at your wall.

Says the person who has his proclamation of support to Israel in his signature

[Fragony]

Says the person who has his proclamation of support to Israel in his signature

I indiscriminately discriminate

[Cute Wolf]

hey, does this meant I can properly sedate a dog and slaughter it for eating afterwards when I come to Netherlands? or some Cats? I'd love to take part time job on Dog control team that way :D

/sarcasm

what's the point of banning halal/kosher foods because they're cruel? if you think eating animals is cruel, go vegan then :D

[Tellos Athenaios]

I think making it illegal is a bad idea, as it is not a fight worth fighting. Regulating the practice with heavy fines for breaches is OK.

It's actually not about religious practice/beliefs, not even about halal/kosher food. It is simply about requiring the animal be sedated before slaughtered. There would be no problem if people choose to have the animals slaughtered in, say, Germany and import the meat back to the Netherlands.

[HoreTore]

Bah!

This is pure racism(of the anti-semite variant) disguised as animal rights.

Let's ban hunting while we're at it, should we? Not only are none of the animals sedated when killed, 10% of them are only wounded, and run off to bleed to death. Utter nonsense. Animals are food, nothing else.

the funny thing is slaughtehouses dont mess up.

Are you serious or being sarcastic?

[jabarto]

This is pure racism(of the anti-semite variant) disguised as animal rights.

Oh stow it. Respect for sentient life is a Big Deal whether religion is involved or not.

I won't go into too much detail on the religious aspect of this. Suffice it to say that I take grave issue with a lot of Jewish traditions and the conditions of kosher slaughterhouses is pretty high up there.

[HoreTore]

Oh stow it. Respect for sentient life is a Big Deal whether religion is involved or not.

I won't go into too much detail on the religious aspect of this. Suffice it to say that I take grave issue with a lot of Jewish traditions and the conditions of kosher slaughterhouses is pretty high up there.

......And yet you still eat meat. I really cannot see much difference between kosher slaughter and the way we others slaughter animals. Animals are goaded with electroshocks, sedation often fails resulting in animals scolded alive, the transportation is absolute cruelty(this one is the worst by far IMO), we wound animals while hunting, etc etc.

Still, I eat meat. Since I put up with the cruelty we treat our animals with, I see no reason why kosher meat should be banned.





But then again, I don't hate the joooooooooooooooooos.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Bah!

This is pure racism(of the anti-semite variant) disguised as animal rights.

Those animal welfare activist types (with whom this law originated, incidentally) are all anti Semites in disguise!!!

[Centurion1]

Bah!

This is pure racism(of the anti-semite variant) disguised as animal rights.

Let's ban hunting while we're at it, should we? Not only are none of the animals sedated when killed, 10% of them are only wounded, and run off to bleed to death. Utter nonsense. Animals are food, nothing else.



Are you serious or being sarcastic?

90% sarcasm. Though it is true that the animal usually instantaneously dies especially in well run automated factories

Edit: though 90% of the factories aren't efficient and well run.

Edit: maybe a 100%

[Incongruous]

This is absurd, they're just animals, why can't one decide how one kills an animal (torturing is not killing, slitting a throat is not torture it's killing)? It's an impairment of one's free use of liberty without good cause, protecting the rights of farm animals at the cost of curbing those of a group of humans is in this case wrong.