Possible ban on halal/kosher meat in the Neds

**jabarto** · 05-16-2011, 01:41

Originally Posted by bopa the Magyar

This is absurd, they're just animals, why can't one decide how one kills an animal (torturing is not killing, slitting a throat is not torture it's killing)? It's an impairment of one's free use of liberty without good cause, protecting the rights of farm animals at the cost of curbing those of a group of humans is in this case wrong.

It is a true testament to human narrowmindedness that even in the year 2011 we hold the anachronisms of Bronze-age savages in higher regard than the respectful treatment of other beings. Then again, I'm apparently an anti-Semite because I value compassion over tradition, so what would I know?

**Fragony** · 05-16-2011, 02:04

Originally Posted by jabarto

It is a true testament to human narrowmindedness that even in the year 2011 we hold the anachronisms of Bronze-age savages in higher regard than the respectful treatment of other beings. Then again, I'm apparently an anti-Semite because I value compassion over tradition, so what would I know?

AND an islamphobe. But yeah.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 05-16-2011, 02:24

What about freedom of religion? I thought the continentals loved 'positive freedoms'...

**Tellos Athenaios** · 05-16-2011, 05:10

Yeah you're still free to believe in whatever thing you like and segregate yourself from the rest accordingly. You just are not allowed to slaughter animals in whatever way you like. Perspective.

**Strike For The South** · 05-16-2011, 05:36

Why poke the hornets nest if you don't have to?

**naut** · 05-16-2011, 05:37

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Why poke the hornets nest if you don't have to?

For the adrenaline rush.

**HoreTore** · 05-16-2011, 06:51

Modern methods of slalso why aughter are compassionate....? Modern slaughter is respectful treatment...? Now I've heard everything.

Yes, we respect our animals soooooo much, that's why we torture them by driving them across the country in a hot trailer! It's also why we scold chickens alive! Hooray! /sarcasm

And I haven't even mentioned the fur industry yet. But I'm late for skewl, so I'll keep this short: most people look down upon what they call "medieval slaughter". I'd say we should look towards the medieval period when it comes to animal welfare. That should be our benchmark. We need regulation of slaughter, but that's not because we were cruel in the middle ages, but because the industrial revolution has enabled almost unlimited cruelty. That is what we should aim to curb, not how things have been done for millennia. I believe hunting is perfectly fine. As hunting is perfectly fine, I don't see why other slaughter should be done in a more restricted way.

If people actually cared about animal welfare, they'd get rid of fur farms and unnecessarily long transportation ages before they even started to think about kosher. Unless they hate the joooooos, that is.

**Kralizec** · 05-16-2011, 11:37

The discussion is about the slaughter itself, not the way animals are treated before that. And unless muslims and jews breed their own lifestock for slaughter (do they?), the point is moot anyway.

Unsedated slaughter already was illegal, but till now there have been exemptions for religious rites. Personally I'm leaning towards keeping them.

Banning the practice and yet allowing imports would be hypocritical, IMO.