Possible ban on halal/kosher meat in the Neds

[Viking]

I think the animals biting themselves to death due to insane stress levels on fur farms would like to differ.

As would the animals who die a slow, painful death while transported to slaughter.

That is still not to say that the lesser sufferings should not be stopped.. They do not have to come at the expense of each other.

As for the 'terrible' transportation, I wonder if you have som links to come up with - it rings no bells here.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Hore - what you ought to do, is to show that despite the existence of all sorts of animal abuse, ritual slaughter is singled out.

This would then show that this is about Dutch anti-Islamic sentiment, instead of about animal rights concerns. Kosher simply being thron into the mix to avoid allegations of racism, and because the Jewish and Islamic traditions happen to be not dissimilar in this area.

Fur farms, animal transports, poor conditions of raising livestock - either these are all tackled, or this is about Islam.



Well bless the internets!:

Dutch raise animal rights to new level

It has been a busy few weeks for Marianne Thieme. Ten days ago, she made history as one of two animal-rights candidates to win election to the Dutch parliament.
They are the first animal-rights MPs anywhere in the world.

This 'Animal Rights Party' is the origin of the possible ban on ritual slaughter:

Amsterdam - A leading Dutch animal rights politician Thursday demanded that an end to be put to ritual slaughters of animals in The Netherlands, while cautioning that this stance is not meant as criticism of the Muslim and Jewish faiths.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...ual_slaughters

The populist right too is about animal rights. Free from the ancient alliances with agricultural interests and local rural entanglements of the old right, the Fragony's of this world can finally impose a long-standing electoral majority in favour of more animal rights:

If it sounds like an idea inspired by the Animal Planet show "Animal Cops," it's because it was. There will soon be 500 police officers on the streets of Holland protecting the welfare of the country's animals. The proposal originated with a uniquely powerful animal rights political party -- and brought to fruition by Geert Wilders' anti-Islam Party for Freedom.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...747345,00.html

Common cause between new political parties then, who force the entire political structure towards their goals. It shows what society can do in a short time when freed of the constraints of old polical entanglements in general, and old multicultural reflexes in this particular case.

[Fragony]

I may have to kill him one day

[HoreTore]

Kosher simply being thron into the mix to avoid allegations of racism

Oh come one Louis, you know the history here as well as anyone. It's not kosher that's thrown in to justify a halal-ban, it's halal that's thrown in to justify a kosher ban. The anti-kosher sentiment is as old as european jew-hate, but because of WW2 a ban on kosher alone has as much chance as a snowball in hell(fortunately).

The fact of the matter is that fur farms remains as institutional torture of animals, yet "conservative free market animal rights activists"(yeah right) whines about kosher and halal. I'll say it again, a halal slaughtered cow in Muslimistan has lived a life in paradise compared to a "humanly slaughtered" cow in the west's industrial agriculture scheme.

True animal rights activists are of course against halal and kosher slaughter as well, but they're caught in the middle in this case, as they're against just about everything concerning animals... And let's have a closer look at those activists, shall we? They have devoted their life to fight for animals, I'd say they're pretty knowledgeable about what practices are the worst. It's also quite logical that they would be most strongly opposed to the worst practices, and will resort to drastic actions against them. Off the top of my head, I can remember plenty of actions against fur shops, fur farms, whaling and industrial farms. I can't seem to remember any actions committed against a kosher/halal slaughterhouse. And don't try the "oh they're scared to be labeled racists"-defense, I'm pretty sure loony activists don't give a crap about that.

As for the 'terrible' transportation, I wonder if you have som links to come up with - it rings no bells here.

I only have 2,5 years of near-constant bitching and whining about it from my farmer ex-girlfriend, no linkys... But if you want to find some yourself, Spain would probably be the best place to start, most of her bitching was about them....

[Louis VI the Fat]

Oh come one Louis, you know the history here as well as anyone. It's not kosher that's thrown in to justify a halal-ban, it's halal that's thrown in to justify a kosher ban. The anti-kosher sentiment is as old as european jew-hate, but because of WW2 a ban on kosher alone has as much chance as a snowball in hell(fortunately).

Oh, come on now, HoreTore. Anti-Islamism is the current focus of the European hardright, not antisemitism. Apart from some fringe groups, it's all about Muslims Muslims Muslims nowadays. Do you not read the interweb's underbelly, such as cult war games fora? Kosher slaughter is the collateral damage here.


Although, as I tried to show in my previous post, this is really about neither halal nor kosher food. This is about finding an electoral majority to impose stricter animal rights, including humane slaughter.

[HoreTore]

Although, as I tried to show in my previous post, this is really about neither halal nor kosher food. This is about finding an electoral majority to impose stricter animal rights, including humane slaughter.

I don't trust the sincerity of anyone who calls themselves an animal rights activist who has time for other things than firebombing fur shops.

[Kralizec]

It's not kosher that's thrown in to justify a halal-ban, it's halal that's thrown in to justify a kosher ban.

So about this law: the arguments about animal welfare are just a pretext for implementing islamophobic policy, to serve as a smoke screen for a massive anti-semetic conspiracy?

This makes perfect sense.