The Project Gunrunner Scandal

[Strike For The South]

You didn't know about this? For shame.

The way I understand it the ATF is trying to get to the bigger fish, pretty simple law enforcement strategy. Granted they can't say anything about it becuase people can't wrap their minds around complex concepts and it's easy thing to score political points on with the "independents"

And LOL to anyone who thinks Mexico isn't right in the thick of things with us.

LOL INDEED

[PanzerJaeger]

You didn't know about this? For shame.

Obviously I knew about it because I created a thread about it. I wanted to wait and ensure that all the facts were established before going to the trouble of making said thread.

The way I understand it the ATF is trying to get to the bigger fish, pretty simple law enforcement strategy.

LOL INDEED. The bigger fish is the ATF, and may in fact be senior level administration officials.

[a completely inoffensive name]

If it has been going on since 2008, then this transcends politics and presidents and reveals an independent agency going rouge with its power.

[PanzerJaeger]

If it has been going on since 2008, then this transcends politics and presidents and reveals an independent agency going rouge with its power.

Actually, the 'gun walking' part of Project Gunrunner, which encompassed many other activities, was initiated by the Obama administration.

AS CBS News reported Tuesday, the strategy of “letting guns walk” out of Southwest gun shops began in late 2009. The Bush administration left in January 2009. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives had been conducting “Gunrunner” activities on a limited basis prior to that, but the operation was dramatically expanded months after Obama administration officials, most notably Attorney General Eric Holder and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, had been discussing the number of U.S.-origin guns being recovered at Mexican narco-war crime scenes.

ATF insiders being interviewed in Arizona are among those who told CBS News that their own agency employed a controversial strategy beginning in late 2009 called "letting guns walk," to try to gather intelligence.—CBS News

There is a growing suspicion within the firearms community that ATF higher-ups wanted to flood Mexico with guns, just to boost their statistics on recovered guns, and thus justify demands for renewal and expansion of the ban on so-called “assault weapons.” Such a ban would also be permanent.

[Strike For The South]

There is a growing suspicion within the firearms community that ATF higher-ups wanted to flood Mexico with guns, just to boost their statistics on recovered guns, and thus justify demands for renewal and expansion of the ban on so-called “assault weapons.” Such a ban would also be permanent.

Well this is the rub....either a dept filled with cops is using a time honored cop tactic

OR it's a conspiracy

[PanzerJaeger]

Well this is the rub....either a dept filled with cops is using a time honored cop tactic

OR it's a conspiracy

'Walking' illegal merchandise, such as stolen cars or smuggled prescription drugs from Canada, back to its buyers to catch them is a time honored cop tactic. 'Walking' AK47s to groups that will most certainly use them to kill people is not, and such a strategy was apparently not a part of the Gunrunner effort launched in 2005 until the Obama administration came into power.

As for the conspiracy, at this point that is all it is. It is very interesting that no one in the ATF saw fit to institute this disastrous strategy for the first four years of the program, and only when the new president and his senior level officials began talking about the huge numbers of American guns flowing into Mexico was it decided to dump huge numbers of guns into the country. However, I'm not trying to push a conspiracy with this thread and would prefer the discussion remain fact based. Those facts are damaging enough.

[Strike For The South]

'Walking' illegal merchandise, such as stolen cars or smuggled prescription drugs from Canada, back to its buyers to catch them is a time honored cop tactic. 'Walking' AK47s to groups that will most certainly use them to kill people is not, and such a strategy was apparently not a part of the Gunrunner effort launched in 2005 until the Obama administration came into power.

Let the minows go to catch the trout

Or would you rather drown the worms?

[Strike For The South]

Obviously I knew about it because I created a thread about it. I wanted to wait an ensure that all the facts were established before going to the trouble of making said thread.

This is why your posts make sense and mine ramble.....I should take notes

LOL INDEED. The bigger fish is the ATF, and may in fact be senior level administration officials.

This is realpolitik at its finest. What the ATF is doing is SOP for every single major police dept. in the USA. This is not Iran-Contra. Now the dem political machine turning right around and using Mexico to push through its agenda is underhanded, but, that's politics.

The people in Obamas administration aren't stupid, selling these guns is a solid tactic. It is the stupid positions on guns they take in the first place that is getting them into trouble, string them up by there balls I really don't care.

independent agency going rouge with its power

So that's what selling guns to drug dealers is now? lulzzzzzz

[a completely inoffensive name]

So that's what selling guns to drug dealers is now? lulzzzzzz

Nah i was just messing around. I'm trying to come up with a good plot for my novel I want to write.

[Strike For The South]

Vampires bro

Vampires