New units on EB2: What are most likely to be included?

[FinnishedBarbarian]

From the previews we have already seen about 10 new units (not present in eb1), what new units we will see when the game is released?

I only managed to figure these: seleucid agema cavalry, pergamene hetaroi/kataphraktoi and ptolemaic/seleucid "imitation legionaries"

Most likely is pergamene hetaroi, seleucid agema cavalry in eb1 was apparently represented by hetaroi so maybe it will stay same. Pergamenes are said to have used cataphract like cavalry, but the use of it might not have been significant enough to justify a unit slot. Imitation legionaries is quite delicate subject because reserchers apparently haven't reached conclusion about the accurate nature of these troops, so I don't put high hopes in seeing roman style hellenic infantry other than thureophoroi and thorakitai.

You can also post units (from eb1) which you suspect will be dropped out due to being historically inaccurate/not significant enough.

PS. of course we can't give names to most of these units but that doesn't prevent us from speculating with what type will they be.

[Brennus]

I can't imagine there will be a great amount of difference between the EB and EBII unit rosters, from what I remember one of the team members stated that although there was an increase in the number of units which can be included in the game its not a massive increase. Although saying that the re-working of the factions may mean that we will see a plethora of new units.

But if I am going to guess I would suspect that British two handed champions will be dropped (I have my doubts as to their accuracy-Delight me by proving me wrong oudysseos!) as will alot of Goidelc units.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I doubt any team member ever said that there was any increase in the theoretical maximum number of units that could be supported in EB2 vs what could be achieved in EB1...

[war is hell]

Thorakites is the greek "imitation legionnaire" afaik.

Also Im pretty sure the Roman Imperial units are going to be removed.

[FinnishedBarbarian]

I doubt any team member ever said that there was any increase in the theoretical maximum number of units that could be supported in EB2 vs what could be achieved in EB1...

So using same base model for multiple units was due to need to save time/effort not because unit slots were near maximum? Using same basic model (for example gaesatae/galatikoi tindonatae) is of course sensible thing to do.

Although it is enough if most of the eb1 units will be included (reskinned/names changed), it would be still be disappointing if units had to be dropped out only due to number of slots.

Brennus do you think that lugioi two-handers will share their british cousins fate? Would be shame to see so unique and useful (as celtic faction you can never have enough armor eating units) unit be dropped out. By goidilic units I assume you mean hammer unit, foot tank and maybe eiras?

[bobbin]

So using same base model for multiple units was due to need to save time/effort not because unit slots were near maximum? Using same basic model (for example gaesatae/galatikoi tindonatae) is of course sensible thing to do.

Model limit is not the same as unit limit. In EB the unit limit was 450 or 500 but the model limit was something like 250, this was why we had to share so much models. In EBII the unit limit is 500 and there is no limit for models (at least no one has found one).

There is going to be a lot of changes to units in EBII although some areas will change less than others.

[Tellos Athenaios]

In EB 1 the unit limit would've been 500, but towards the end there was some sense of a plan to leave slots for an EB 2. In EB 2 the unit limit is 500. There are about 460 entries in the EB 1 EDU.

In both cases the limit arises from the constraints placed on the EDU (500 entries), and not DMB (250 and unknown number of entries respectively).