New units on EB2: What are most likely to be included?

[bobbin]

Good to hear that number of models ain't problem anymore, although it doesn't have huge impact on eb1 it is somewhat stupid that as arverni/aedui you can't recruit some galatian units due to them sharing same base model with for example gaesatae/arjos.

It means quite a lot when making the units, in EB were constrained by what models were available, this meant that some units were not as accurate representations as they could have been.

Baltic units could be dropped out if historically they weren't used in significant numbers enough by any of the eb2's factions to justify using unit slots, even though they are likely to be more commonly seen now that baltic has more factions near it.

Our Lugiones faction is primarily proto Baltic in nature so the Baltic region has seen a lot of new units, they are quite different from EB's though.

Roman imperial troops are one that could be sacrificed, after all they weren used only 30 years or so during the mods timeframe.

We will only cut them if we have to, and it doesn't look like we will need to right now.

Hopefully nothing has to be dropped out, but being somewhat pessimistic I suspect that some units won't make to the mod due to unit limit.

Many units have been dropped or changed beyond recognition for historical reasons, the unit limit isn't a concern right now.

[fomalhaut]

Syracusan Hoplites ;_;
:'(
i will miss you, my friends

[FinnishedBarbarian]

Syracusan Hoplites ;_;
:'(
i will miss you, my friends

Why were they dropped out? Not used by syracuse during eb's timeframe or use was limited? Well maybe the syracuse will receive somewhat similar hoplitai unit, also they were somewhat inaccurate compared to the unit description which said they had shortswords as secondaries which they don't have in game, same with all classical hoplites maybe due to problem with secondary weapon?

Concerning the Lugii who are celto-germanic faction with some baltic tribes under their rule, if I understood the preview correctly. This sounds like they will have one of the best factional unit recruitment possibilities, being able to recruit most germanic, celtic and baltic units. This would make them very powerful faction even in eb1.

Palmyra and nabatae had hellenic influenses so that would probably mean some heavier cavalry and infantry units in these provinces, although not expecting anything along the lines of 200 AD clibinarii, also did either them employ pike-phalanxes?

One unit type which doesn't seem to raise any passions is artillery which is somewhat problematic in eb1 due to the high price of ballistae/katapeltai, lowering their prices might be ok if they have extremely limited recruitment. Eb1 seems to portrait them accurately so expecting only cosmetic changes concerning them (more ammunition options).

[Moros]

Palmyra and nabatae had hellenic influenses so that would probably mean some heavier cavalry and infantry units in these provinces, although not expecting anything along the lines of 200 AD clibinarii, also did either them employ pike-phalanxes?

We indeed have a palmyran unit planned and a few more generic northern bedouin units. Some which are based on nabataean and other tribes/nations of the regions. Possibly the best arab cavalry will come from the east though.
On phalanxes: no, no evidence or anything that suggests the use of phalanxes by the factions of that area that don't have hellenistic roots. There was hellenistic and Roman influence in the region, especially in the Hasmonean (see 1QM/1Q33, 4QM from the deadsea scrolls) and Nabatean kingdoms (see Petra) at the very end of our timeframe. But those infantry units were more thureophoroi in style. Most information on Palmyran infantry dates back to a few centuries after our time frame. These seem mainly Roman and Parthian influenced though some typical arab traditions seem to be kept as well, such as small round shields for example.

[fomalhaut]

I'm not 100% on Hoplites of Syracuse, but it seems to be the general idea that since Syracuse won't be a faction and there is no evidence to suggest that the Hoplites of Syracuse would operate in a manner significantly different than regular Hoplitai, so the unit concept as a whole isn't justified. Though i think at least a special skin for Hoplitai from Syracuse would be swell................wink wink wink nudge nudge oh god please i beg you



oh and artillery i hope at least looks better, more like the pretty unit cards at least. are Artillery not allowed to have officers in the EDU? some more distinguished looking dudes, like engineers and officers would look nice compared to literally a pack of peasants moving and operating the most advanced war fighting technology available to my kingdom and the world.

[ziegenpeter]

I'm not 100% on Hoplites of Syracuse, but it seems to be the general idea that since Syracuse won't be a faction and there is no evidence to suggest that the Hoplites of Syracuse would operate in a manner significantly different than regular Hoplitai, so the unit concept as a whole isn't justified. Though i think at least a special skin for Hoplitai from Syracuse would be swell................wink wink wink nudge nudge oh god please i beg you

With that said, also see the Spartans in danger...

[athanaric]

I guess the Sabaean Nobles will be wielding a bow instead of the javelins.
Also, Goidils will probably only have Vellinica-style troops

[Phalanx300]

With that said, also see the Spartans in danger...

That would mean any region specific unit would be in danger. No Balearic slingers, seeing they were just slingers. etc.

I hope the region specific units will stay, always added to EB ;).

[bobbin]

Concerning the Lugii who are celto-germanic faction with some baltic tribes under their rule, if I understood the preview correctly.

You got that the wrong way round.